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Can't seem to find anything but wormholes when probe scanning

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Rudolf Wagner
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-06-17 14:15:31 UTC
I recently started with probing, using tech I gear. Trained a few levels in hacking, salvaging and and archaeology.
I have been probing several high sec (0.8-1) systems with no luck. In a time span of about 90 minutes, all I was able to track completely was a wormhole, which I wasn't really interested in to begin with.

It seems like I have difficulties finding anything else than wormholes. I am really looking for magnometric and radar sites, but it looks like almost always when I try to scan a little red dot in more detail using a smaller probe scan radius, it disappears or appears elsewhere, leaving me with no signatures. Am I competing with other people to find signatures? First come, first serve?
Orlacc
#2 - 2012-06-17 16:05:40 UTC
Make sure your filters for Mag and Radar are checked.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-06-17 16:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Rudolf Wagner wrote:
I recently started with probing, using tech I gear. Trained a few levels in hacking, salvaging and and archaeology.
I have been probing several high sec (0.8-1) systems with no luck. In a time span of about 90 minutes, all I was able to track completely was a wormhole, which I wasn't really interested in to begin with.

It seems like I have difficulties finding anything else than wormholes. I am really looking for magnometric and radar sites, but it looks like almost always when I try to scan a little red dot in more detail using a smaller probe scan radius, it disappears or appears elsewhere, leaving me with no signatures. Am I competing with other people to find signatures? First come, first serve?


As for highlighted: Yes and Yes


You will find more wormholes as there are more WH in high-sec then other sites.
Also once a site (Radar, Ladar, Grav, Magneto) has been cleared it despawns and respawns somewhere else in high-sec.
And as high-sec is the most populated place in EVE you will compete with other explorers.

Also higher skills in probing will make it possible/easier to find the harder sites. Wormholes usually are easier to probe out then high-end complexes.

And always check your filters.

If you have your filter to show unknown (WH or DED) it will pick up ALL sites untill you are able to know what site it is (e.g. RADAR site) at that stage your filter kicks it out of the list

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Rudolf Wagner
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-06-17 16:12:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Rudolf Wagner
Scan Result Filter shows Show All.

I was afraid that I was competing with others, and that those people are faster than I am obviously. With such high competition, I don't know if archaeology and hacking are the things I should go for, as I haven't been able to get to a single site in such a long timespan.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-06-17 16:23:56 UTC
Rudolf Wagner wrote:
Scan Result Filter shows Show All.

I was afraid that I was competing with others, and that those people are faster than I am obviously. With such high competition, I don't know if archaeology and hacking are the things I should go for, as I haven't been able to get to a single site in such a long timespan.


Keep it going.

Exploration is chance based, move out of heavy populated systems. Maybe eventually go into low-sec / null-sec (those sites are harder but pay out better).

There will be days that you hardly find stuff / get income. But you will have days where you hit jackpot.

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Orlacc
#6 - 2012-06-17 16:51:04 UTC
J'Poll wrote:
Rudolf Wagner wrote:
Scan Result Filter shows Show All.

I was afraid that I was competing with others, and that those people are faster than I am obviously. With such high competition, I don't know if archaeology and hacking are the things I should go for, as I haven't been able to get to a single site in such a long timespan.


Keep it going.

Exploration is chance based, move out of heavy populated systems. Maybe eventually go into low-sec / null-sec (those sites are harder but pay out better).

There will be days that you hardly find stuff / get income. But you will have days where you hit jackpot.



This^^ Just stay out of my space.

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Rudolf Wagner
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-06-17 17:35:09 UTC
I don't get it. I'm in an area with 5 people, including me. I have filtered out everything but magnetometric and radar sites.
I get a signal, about 20% strenght. I reduce probe radius from 4 AU to 2 AU. The signature is gone. Expanding to 4 AU makes the signature appear again. I thought those little red dots were supposed to be the location of a site? What about those larger red circles?
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-06-17 17:45:10 UTC
Red dots are signatures that all 4 probes have detected but not beyond 25%.
Large circles are signatures detected by 2 or 3 probes, means you're slightly off.
Large spheres are signatures only one probe detected.

Until you have a sig scanned to 100%, each scan can show it moving because the location is an approximation (hence not at 100%), if it moves that much out of your probing zone, make sure the overlapping zone of your probes isn't too small and center this zone on the sig before you rescan it.

Depending on your skills, the probes, the ship bonuses and possible rigs, you can improve your scan resolution, but there will always be deviations until you reach 100%.

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-06-17 18:05:21 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
Red dots are signatures that all 4 probes have detected but not beyond 25%.
Large circles are signatures detected by 2 or 3 probes, means you're slightly off.
Large spheres are signatures only one probe detected.

Until you have a sig scanned to 100%, each scan can show it moving because the location is an approximation (hence not at 100%), if it moves that much out of your probing zone, make sure the overlapping zone of your probes isn't too small and center this zone on the sig before you rescan it.

Depending on your skills, the probes, the ship bonuses and possible rigs, you can improve your scan resolution, but there will always be deviations until you reach 100%.


^ This.

Also when you are online and there are only 5 people in the systems doesn't mean much. Could be that in other timezones it's much more heavily populated. Keep in mind we all play on same server, so you share your server with a total of 400k subscribtions.

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TEABO BAGGINS
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-06-17 18:40:10 UTC
sounds like your probe skills might be too low if your having trouble locking some sites

also this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=101693&find=unread
Rudolf Wagner
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-06-17 19:10:40 UTC
I've been trying this red dot for about an hour or so, moving around 5 probes up and down, relative to each other, moving them to the new red dot that shows up, etc. But it didn't go beyond 24%.

Do I really need that high skills for a 0.8 system?
Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-06-17 19:19:10 UTC
Rudolf Wagner wrote:
I've been trying this red dot for about an hour or so, moving around 5 probes up and down, relative to each other, moving them to the new red dot that shows up, etc. But it didn't go beyond 24%.

Do I really need that high skills for a 0.8 system?

Seems to me like youre doing something wrong, no matter the skills, with 5 probes you should easily be able to get any sig above 24%.

Read some guides, see how you do after that.
Its really the only thing I can think of..
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-06-17 19:23:28 UTC
That's funny, when I did some scanning for wormholes everything but wormholes were showing up What?

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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-06-17 19:26:38 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heYfTA00Idg

Watch this. Older video (from back where you had to manually adjust every probe).

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Rudolf Wagner
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2012-06-17 19:27:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Rudolf Wagner
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
Rudolf Wagner wrote:
I've been trying this red dot for about an hour or so, moving around 5 probes up and down, relative to each other, moving them to the new red dot that shows up, etc. But it didn't go beyond 24%.

Do I really need that high skills for a 0.8 system?

Seems to me like youre doing something wrong, no matter the skills, with 5 probes you should easily be able to get any sig above 24%.

Read some guides, see how you do after that.
Its really the only thing I can think of..


How exactly am I supposed to proceed on a red dot? Should I place the probes further away relative to each other, closer, or what?

I watched a tutorial. It said that if I saw a red sphere, the site would be within the sphere. I search with a lower radius, which should increase signal strenght. Nothing of the sphere is outside the probe scanners' spheres. Still, the red sphere is gone and I am left with no signatures. It's all very confusing.

EDIT: Already watched that video. I don't understand why I won't get 25% signal strength!
Are radar and magnometrics sites harder to find than other sites? I only have Astrometrics II and Astrometric Rangefinding I, but shouldn't I still be able to make it?
Tar Noguchi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-06-17 21:29:05 UTC
I was in the same boat. New player. Couldn't find mag and radar sites in hi-sec. In all the time I tried I only found one.

You need to go to low sec. I went at about 1.mil sp. I probably find a suitable site every 3 or so systems. you need to research lo-sec survival, use a two boat set up, and choose a quiet area. Pref not to far from hi sec so you can sell loot. Set up a base to work from and use a prototype cloaked frig to haul.

Having said that you also need to get your skills up. Astometrics to 4, support to 3 to start. Also used the racial probing frig with a prototype cloaking device (for low sec) and probing rigs.
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-06-17 21:45:04 UTC
Warp to a spot, many people warp to the sun but you can pick whatever you want. Once you're still (speed at 0), launch 5 probes.
Then you begin adjusting 4 in a cross pattern and keep the fifth in the middle.
You will want to have the radius of the 4 outer probes overlap each other. place them so the limit of the scan radius reaches the probe facing it, so that all 4 probes have the same zone covered around the fifth that sits in the middle of them.
To increase scanning radius of all probes at once (you don't want to play with probes having different radius), hold shift and drag the radius bubble of one, or select them all in the scanning window and right-click>range.
To spread the probes evenly, hold alt and drag one by an arrow handle.
Once you're feeling good with alt/shift, you can fairly quickly set your probes and adjust them on the spot you want to scan.

I will have to agree with Teabo though, perhaps your skills aren't very high yet and it's what influences scanning the most. But to help your process, a scan ship like a heron, magnate, probe, or tristan, is preferred. You can also get a fair boost with Sisters probes and if you have armor rigs skill, fit a pair of gravity capacitor rigs. You'll need to spend a little bit on this equipment, but if you recall your probes before 60min, you shouldn't lose them.

You can scan with just astrometrics skill, but I would highly recommend training it to IV, then the three other astrometric skills to III, that shoul be more than enough for almost any site if you use a scanning frigate with sisters probes.

I know how frustrating it can be to scan something and not get it to 100%, I've had troubles scanning some grav sites with astrometric skills 4-3-3-3, but I used a non-bonused ship at the time.

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Rudolf Wagner
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-06-17 22:21:23 UTC
Thanks for all the replies and tips.

Regarding why I couldn't scan: I didn't understand the filters that post #2 referred to at first, being up to my neck with other things to keep track off, and being new and all. I had filtered away anything but magnometric and radar signatures, so all the sites I tried to scan were some signatures that I filtered away. Lol
Archdaimon
Merchants of the Golden Goose
#19 - 2012-06-17 22:34:24 UTC
Rudolf Wagner wrote:
Thanks for all the replies and tips.

Regarding why I couldn't scan: I didn't understand the filters that post #2 referred to at first, being up to my neck with other things to keep track off, and being new and all. I had filtered away anything but magnometric and radar signatures, so all the sites I tried to scan were some signatures that I filtered away. Lol


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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-06-18 05:31:50 UTC
Rudolf Wagner wrote:
Thanks for all the replies and tips.

Regarding why I couldn't scan: I didn't understand the filters that post #2 referred to at first, being up to my neck with other things to keep track off, and being new and all. I had filtered away anything but magnometric and radar signatures, so all the sites I tried to scan were some signatures that I filtered away. Lol
Doh! Lol

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