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Up to 5 years jail and a hefty fine for botting in South Korea
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Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#1 - 2012-06-16 13:54:52 UTC
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And the botters in EVE thought an eventual permaban was a harsh penalty.


Governments can be rather slow to catch up with changes in the gaming industry but eventually they do. Gaming in the future is definately going to be under much greater scrutiny especially with the sale of virtual items becoming more prolific.

With more and more real world value placed on virtual items could we see an acceleration of cases in the future over the loss of items in-game. If we start seeing successful cases then it could be the death knell for games such as EVE as it would make them a huge liability.

Could we see CCP having to change EVE in the future due to governmental pressures?

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#2 - 2012-06-16 13:59:00 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:

Could we see CCP having to change EVE in the future due to governmental pressures?




They already do - just look at Serenity.


Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#3 - 2012-06-16 13:59:46 UTC
North Korea Best Korea.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#4 - 2012-06-16 14:05:08 UTC
For perspective, something like 1 in 3 Koreans play some sort of MMO, E-Sports is more popular than any sport including Football in the country, and there are quite a few laws already enacted regarding video game regulation like this.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#5 - 2012-06-16 14:24:41 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
For perspective, something like 1 in 3 Koreans play some sort of MMO, E-Sports is more popular than any sport including Football in the country, and there are quite a few laws already enacted regarding video game regulation like this.


yeah, these people literally suicide over mmos, and the goal is not to prohibit trade of items, but to promote less time at the computer by making it less profitable
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#6 - 2012-06-16 14:40:54 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:

Could we see CCP having to change EVE in the future due to governmental pressures?




They already do - just look at Serenity.



Yes I'm aware of Serenity, but would CCP peel off countries from Tranquility though if for example those countries made it a real world criminal offense for something like stealing a Plex in-game. Plex is one item in EVE that has a definative real world value already.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#7 - 2012-06-16 14:44:24 UTC
*Derp* oh **** that's ....wow lol

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#8 - 2012-06-16 15:23:59 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Plex is one item in EVE that has a definative real world value already.




Take a PLEX out of the game if you can, and bring it to your friend down the road - and ask them how much it's actually worth. Considering you can buy them readily enough for real-life cash, and yet you cannot legally sell them on, it would suggest to me that their alue outside of the game is negligible.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-06-16 15:53:11 UTC
This is all about money and taxes.

When governments get involved in stuff like this it is because they want their cut.

Putting someone on trial and putting someone in jail cost money.
I bet you 9 out of 10 people caught for doing this get a very large fine instead of actual jail time.

I am surprised Governments don't send out something to all the online gaming companies saying fill this out so we can go after them.
And get there cut of the cash

EVERYBODY KNOWS
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-06-16 16:01:22 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:

Could we see CCP having to change EVE in the future due to governmental pressures?




They already do - just look at Serenity.



Yes I'm aware of Serenity, but would CCP peel off countries from Tranquility though if for example those countries made it a real world criminal offense for something like stealing a Plex in-game. Plex is one item in EVE that has a definative real world value already.



And I know someone who got punched by roommate for ganking him. Should actions not have consequences? If said consequences happen to be from your local law enforcement instead of roommate, that's also working as intended. Don't want consequences? Get a room, or move to Somalia, whichever applies. So no, we don't need additional shards. Roll
Azahni Vah'nos
Vah'nos Family
#11 - 2012-06-16 16:11:28 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Plex is one item in EVE that has a definative real world value already.




Take a PLEX out of the game if you can, and bring it to your friend down the road - and ask them how much it's actually worth. Considering you can buy them readily enough for real-life cash, and yet you cannot legally sell them on, it would suggest to me that their alue outside of the game is negligible.

Example of a case already. Another Interesting read
Sooner or later digital items will be classified by the law in most countries and that could have many ramifications to online gaming.

Nex (Cash Shop) / Aurum - removing sand from the sandbox since Incarna. Currently the only use for aurum is to buy virtual items in the in-game store, but Cockerill expects to expand its uses in the future.

Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-06-16 16:59:07 UTC
Azahni Vah'nos wrote:
Source

And the botters in EVE thought an eventual permaban was a harsh penalty.


Governments can be rather slow to catch up with changes in the gaming industry but eventually they do. Gaming in the future is definately going to be under much greater scrutiny especially with the sale of virtual items becoming more prolific.

With more and more real world value placed on virtual items could we see an acceleration of cases in the future over the loss of items in-game. If we start seeing successful cases then it could be the death knell for games such as EVE as it would make them a huge liability.

Could we see CCP having to change EVE in the future due to governmental pressures?




that's because elecronic gaming is their national sport.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-06-16 18:02:39 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
And I know someone who got punched by roommate for ganking him. Should actions not have consequences?


wait are you trying to say that getting punched IRL is a reasonable consequence for ganking somebody in eve

you're aware that EVE is actually a game right?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
ThisIsntMyMain
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-06-16 18:12:48 UTC
sabre906 wrote:
And I know someone who got punched by roommate for ganking him. Should actions not have consequences?


They do. In this case the roommate is guilty of assault and could expect a criminal conviction and fine for throwing the first punch.
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#15 - 2012-06-16 18:16:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Aramatheia
Richard Desturned wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
And I know someone who got punched by roommate for ganking him. Should actions not have consequences?


wait are you trying to say that getting punched IRL is a reasonable consequence for ganking somebody in eve

you're aware that EVE is actually a game right?


someone people are pretty insane when it comes to being beaten in a game. Did you ever hear of the guy who spent months tracking down a person then traveled to his house and stabbed him? THis was a reaction to the victim stabbing the attacker in a game of counter strike or something stupid like that.

While thats the most insane case, theres nothing to stop 2 roomies from having a fight if one kept being a pain in the game lol

Best solution to botting involves finding where the botters operate (esp the RWT ones) and a couple tomahawk cruise missiles... dont need those "people" on this planet lol
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-06-16 20:04:07 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
And I know someone who got punched by roommate for ganking him. Should actions not have consequences?


wait are you trying to say that getting punched IRL is a reasonable consequence for ganking somebody in eve

you're aware that EVE is actually a game right?


"Reasonable" consequences is whatever you can't get away with.Big smile

ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
And I know someone who got punched by roommate for ganking him. Should actions not have consequences?


They do. In this case the roommate is guilty of assault and could expect a criminal conviction and fine for throwing the first punch.


Actually, he was promptly told by the cops to suck it up, because it's his words against his roommate's. Civil court's that way.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-06-16 20:07:52 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
And I know someone who got punched by roommate for ganking him. Should actions not have consequences?


wait are you trying to say that getting punched IRL is a reasonable consequence for ganking somebody in eve

you're aware that EVE is actually a game right?

eve is real
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-06-16 20:27:01 UTC
There's gonna be riots over this.
Baby ChuChu
Ice Cream Asylum
#19 - 2012-06-16 21:41:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Baby ChuChu
Wonder if I can bribe someone with Vespian Gas...
Maxpie
MUSE LLP
#20 - 2012-06-16 23:08:45 UTC
ThisIsntMyMain wrote:
sabre906 wrote:
And I know someone who got punched by roommate for ganking him. Should actions not have consequences?


They do. In this case the roommate is guilty of assault and could expect a criminal conviction and fine for throwing the first punch.


How about just punch him back and say "wtf is wrong with you, dude?"

No good deed goes unpunished
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