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Destruction Testing the New Wardec System (Ganks Included - Free wardec inside)

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Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#161 - 2012-06-14 04:34:07 UTC
Nicely done Ms. Constantine.

You forced the powers that be to show their ineptitude and blatant bias towards massive bloat entities for the whole cluster to see Smile
Aya Hekki
State War Academy
Caldari State
#162 - 2012-06-14 09:46:52 UTC
pointless war by the pointless goons, we haven't seen any of you in any of our home systems, bring it on and stop the useless goon talk... talking so big that we should fight you in nul l!! wtf !! you declared the war, come fight them here in low, i dare you !
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#163 - 2012-06-14 13:49:08 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Nicely done Ms. Constantine.

You forced the powers that be to show their ineptitude and blatant bias towards massive bloat entities for the whole cluster to see Smile



Heh now If I had a mittani-style ego now would be the moment I'd down a jaegerbomb and start writing a self-referential puff-piece for Ten Ton hammer claiming I planned this outcome at the BBQ of 2011.

But truthfully I'm more of a space-anarchist than a space-manipulator and I actually wanted to test the allied system and see if it could be used to assemble a vast coalition of hisec gankers to put the hurts on the swarm in earnest. I honestly believe that if this mechanic hadn't gotten horribly nerfed it would have prevented the goons from enjoying their hulkaggedon and future burn Jita style events in relative safety.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Jones Bones
Battle Toad Brigade
Ribbit.
#164 - 2012-06-14 13:55:56 UTC
Controlling your game.
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#165 - 2012-06-14 14:00:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyle Myr
Jade Constantine wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Nicely done Ms. Constantine.

You forced the powers that be to show their ineptitude and blatant bias towards massive bloat entities for the whole cluster to see Smile



Heh now If I had a mittani-style ego now would be the moment I'd down a jaegerbomb and start writing a self-referential puff-piece for Ten Ton hammer claiming I planned this outcome at the BBQ of 2011.

But truthfully I'm more of a space-anarchist than a space-manipulator and I actually wanted to test the allied system and see if it could be used to assemble a vast coalition of hisec gankers to put the hurts on the swarm in earnest. I honestly believe that if this mechanic hadn't gotten horribly nerfed it would have prevented the goons from enjoying their hulkaggedon and future burn Jita style events in relative safety.



ITT Jade Constantine presumes he's relevant.

Last I checked, Burn Jita was done with a dozen wardecs, including every one that's been actively shooting us currently. Same with Hulkageddon. You should really check out CCP Punkturis' new war history UI, it's quite nice.

Seriously it's not like these aren't easily checked facts that are matters of public record. EVE records a frightening amount of data, between killmails, APIs, and everything else.

If you want a real sense of damage done, compare damages lost here to our past losses to wardecs via idiocy (we've always had some really good JF loss mails, you like us dying, I'm sure you'll have a blast doing this). Then look at what us losing a ~200 man drake fleet, with support, to the man looks like (this happens often, the last one I was in I was the last scimitar to be killed of our 15 setting out, with 3 lucky ones making it out). Presuming that ISK has anything at all to do with our strength (I'm reasonably certain you understand pretty well that it doesn't, but it can be hard to tell), you can get a relative sense of damage done.

I mean it's kind of a pointless exercise, as we reimburse fleet losses, even large ones, and, excluding hulkageddon, tend not to reimburse things in high sec. For hulkageddon, you don't even need to be in alliance to get paid (See http://hulkageddon5.machine9.net/?page_id=5 for details, though it hasn't been updated to reflect our new Junior league). But it's neat, and uses the tools CCP gives you, and gives some sense of concrete data, beyond 'Oh, they posted, I must be winning!'

Edit: In case you're wondering, i'm posting to bring you data as helpfully as I can. And to see what words you'll spew next.
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#166 - 2012-06-14 14:43:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
Kyle Myr wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Nicely done Ms. Constantine.

You forced the powers that be to show their ineptitude and blatant bias towards massive bloat entities for the whole cluster to see Smile



Heh now If I had a mittani-style ego now would be the moment I'd down a jaegerbomb and start writing a self-referential puff-piece for Ten Ton hammer claiming I planned this outcome at the BBQ of 2011.

But truthfully I'm more of a space-anarchist than a space-manipulator and I actually wanted to test the allied system and see if it could be used to assemble a vast coalition of hisec gankers to put the hurts on the swarm in earnest. I honestly believe that if this mechanic hadn't gotten horribly nerfed it would have prevented the goons from enjoying their hulkaggedon and future burn Jita style events in relative safety.



ITT Jade Constantine presumes he's relevant.

Last I checked, Burn Jita was done with a dozen wardecs, including every one that's been actively shooting us currently. Same with Hulkageddon. You should really check out CCP Punkturis' new war history UI, it's quite nice.

Seriously it's not like these aren't easily checked facts that are matters of public record. EVE records a frightening amount of data, between killmails, APIs, and everything else.

If you want a real sense of damage done, compare damages lost here to our past losses to wardecs via idiocy (we've always had some really good JF loss mails, you like us dying, I'm sure you'll have a blast doing this). Then look at what us losing a ~200 man drake fleet, with support, to the man looks like (this happens often, the last one I was in I was the last scimitar to be killed of our 15 setting out, with 3 lucky ones making it out). Presuming that ISK has anything at all to do with our strength (I'm reasonably certain you understand pretty well that it doesn't, but it can be hard to tell), you can get a relative sense of damage done.

I mean it's kind of a pointless exercise, as we reimburse fleet losses, even large ones, and, excluding hulkageddon, tend not to reimburse things in high sec. For hulkageddon, you don't even need to be in alliance to get paid (See http://hulkageddon5.machine9.net/?page_id=5 for details, though it hasn't been updated to reflect our new Junior league). But it's neat, and uses the tools CCP gives you, and gives some sense of concrete data, beyond 'Oh, they posted, I must be winning!'

Edit: In case you're wondering, i'm posting to bring you data as helpfully as I can. And to see what words you'll spew next.



Forget it, Jade just crying after she used a known exploit what testers reported to CCP from Sisi.
If i remember good to rules, who using a known exploit should be banned from Eve.
So, i dont understand she why crying when she should say thanks the god because she was not banned from game.
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2012-06-14 14:51:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyle Myr
Ribikoka wrote:
Forget it, Jade just crying after she used a known exploit what testers reported to CCP from Sisi.
If i remember good to rules, who using a known exploit should be banned from Eve.
So, i dont understand she why crying when she should say thanks the god because she was not banned from game.


I don't agree with this at all, and you'd be hard pressed to find someone that does.

I do have to give you this, Jade: this turned high sec into a bizarre enforced NRDS 0.0 (like somehow CVA took over 0.0 and was powerful enough to enforce their rules via Concord), and it is significantly more fun than normal high sec. I mean, if I wanted the same experience, I could just go to any NPC 0.0 region, or Providence, but a comparatively target rich high sec was a nice vacation for a few weeks. I, for one, bear no ill will over this use of mechanics - it's taught me more about the politics and practices of high sec market campers than I ever expected to learn, which is actually rather neat.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#168 - 2012-06-14 15:02:10 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
Kyle Myr wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
Nicely done Ms. Constantine.

You forced the powers that be to show their ineptitude and blatant bias towards massive bloat entities for the whole cluster to see Smile



Heh now If I had a mittani-style ego now would be the moment I'd down a jaegerbomb and start writing a self-referential puff-piece for Ten Ton hammer claiming I planned this outcome at the BBQ of 2011.

But truthfully I'm more of a space-anarchist than a space-manipulator and I actually wanted to test the allied system and see if it could be used to assemble a vast coalition of hisec gankers to put the hurts on the swarm in earnest. I honestly believe that if this mechanic hadn't gotten horribly nerfed it would have prevented the goons from enjoying their hulkaggedon and future burn Jita style events in relative safety.



ITT Jade Constantine presumes he's relevant.

Last I checked, Burn Jita was done with a dozen wardecs, including every one that's been actively shooting us currently. Same with Hulkageddon. You should really check out CCP Punkturis' new war history UI, it's quite nice.

Seriously it's not like these aren't easily checked facts that are matters of public record. EVE records a frightening amount of data, between killmails, APIs, and everything else.

If you want a real sense of damage done, compare damages lost here to our past losses to wardecs via idiocy (we've always had some really good JF loss mails, you like us dying, I'm sure you'll have a blast doing this). Then look at what us losing a ~200 man drake fleet, with support, to the man looks like (this happens often, the last one I was in I was the last scimitar to be killed of our 15 setting out, with 3 lucky ones making it out). Presuming that ISK has anything at all to do with our strength (I'm reasonably certain you understand pretty well that it doesn't, but it can be hard to tell), you can get a relative sense of damage done.

I mean it's kind of a pointless exercise, as we reimburse fleet losses, even large ones, and, excluding hulkageddon, tend not to reimburse things in high sec. For hulkageddon, you don't even need to be in alliance to get paid (See http://hulkageddon5.machine9.net/?page_id=5 for details, though it hasn't been updated to reflect our new Junior league). But it's neat, and uses the tools CCP gives you, and gives some sense of concrete data, beyond 'Oh, they posted, I must be winning!'

Edit: In case you're wondering, i'm posting to bring you data as helpfully as I can. And to see what words you'll spew next.



Forget it, Jade just crying after she used a known exploit what testers reported to CCP from Sisi.
If i remember good to rules, who using a known exploit should be banned from Eve.
So, i dont understand she why crying when she should say thanks the god because she was not banned from game.



Can you link me to the CCP notification that having allies in Inferno wardecs is an exploit please?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#169 - 2012-06-14 16:21:33 UTC
zxc Uisen wrote:
First of all, LOL at the goon spin doctors, but the sudden spike in goon activity in this thread is kind of an obvious sign of spin.


Umm.....Goons post constantly. Everywhere. It's sort of their thing. Saying "A Goon posting here is evidence they care" is sort of like saying "Bears craping in the woods is evidence they care." Bear crap is just a natural phenomenon. To wit, **** happens.

Fix POSes.  Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one).
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#170 - 2012-06-14 16:36:18 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:

Heh now If I had a mittani-style ego now would be the moment I'd down a jaegerbomb and start writing a self-referential puff-piece for Ten Ton hammer claiming I planned this outcome at the BBQ of 2011.


Ad hominem is always a great way to avoid the logical fallacies of one's argument.

Fix POSes.  Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one).
Nirnaeth Ornoediad
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#171 - 2012-06-14 16:44:19 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
more to the point nobody seems to be able to point to any actual "crying"

they can point to relentless laughing at jade and pretend that's crying but nobody but jade believes it

soz m8


EN24 just linked to this thread claiming it as proof of Goon whining. Please ask your Goons to begin crying on this thread; I don't want to make an anonymous poster on EN24 into a liar.

Fix POSes.  Every player should want one (even if all players can't have one).
Ryoken McKeon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#172 - 2012-06-14 17:06:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryoken McKeon
Jade Constantine wrote:


But truthfully I'm more of a space-anarchist than a space-manipulator and I actually wanted to test the allied system and see if it could be used to assemble a vast coalition of hisec gankers to put the hurts on the swarm in earnest. I honestly believe that if this mechanic hadn't gotten horribly nerfed it would have prevented the goons from enjoying their hulkaggedon and future burn Jita style events in relative safety.



Why? I don't understand how you can play EVE for 9 years and not understand how much more powerful (isk, material, strategic position [you can't attack their pve home without getting hot dropped by titans, they can attack yours easily], total sp, better, more experienced FCs who understand large scale conflict) and organized a nullsec alliance is compared with, as you said, a coalition of high sec gankers. High sec gankers are widely regarded as the shittiest PvP'ers in EVE. What would you expect? They spend all of their time killing incompetent carebears and each other. If you gave the goons a war dec like that they wouldn't even have to suicide gank money-makers for that coalition anymore.


Long story short: Your coalition of high sec gankers would have less money, less organization, less average skill points, and no safety to earn money in. High sec gankers are used to station games and small scale engagements. They lack fleet discipline, cannot be organized to get up at 3:00am if needed, and are honestly probably worse, less experienced players than the average goon. Not only that, even if your coalition outnumbered GS in absolute terms, I guarantee that no large scale engagement would favor your side in numbers, material, or quality of FC'ing.


Even if I were to (inappropriately, considering that this is all true) concede several of these points, the remainder would have made that war unwinnable for your side. Sure, you caught a freighter or two, but if you think that was likely to continue you don't know anything about GS's internal organization and how it treats its members. CCP just saved a helluva lot of people from your inane, terrible plan. The war would even play into their grander strategy. They'd be able to destroy more ****, worsening the economic problems Empire is already having.



What you WOULD have shown EVE if your plan had succeeded, is that Goonswarm and the CFC are effectively impervious to response from Empire alone. If you want to fix your problem (Goons ******* with the economy) you are going to have to get all of Empire on board.....and every non-CFC aligned nullsec alliance. It will take nothing less. After all, that's what the goons had to do to beat BoB. (well that and a little spymastering :D)
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#173 - 2012-06-14 18:00:52 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:
ITT Jade Constantine presumes he's relevant.
You're only as relevant as the number of times your opponents post in your thread.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#174 - 2012-06-14 18:02:23 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Kyle Myr wrote:
ITT Jade Constantine presumes he's relevant.
You're only as relevant as the number of times your opponents post in your thread.


Sheesh , that makes me pretty damned relevant :)

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Ryoken McKeon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#175 - 2012-06-14 18:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryoken McKeon
X Gallentius wrote:
Kyle Myr wrote:
ITT Jade Constantine presumes he's relevant.
You're only as relevant as the number of times your opponents post in your thread.



If this is how you judge relevance, then you should be aware that this man is the most relevant on Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OAujCd6lH4
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#176 - 2012-06-14 18:20:37 UTC
Ryoken McKeon wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Kyle Myr wrote:
ITT Jade Constantine presumes he's relevant.
You're only as relevant as the number of times your opponents post in your thread.

If this is how you judge relevance, then you should be aware that this man is the most relevant on Earth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OAujCd6lH4

Adding to original post for clarification: "number of times your opponents AND THEIR ALTS post in your thread"
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2012-06-14 19:47:42 UTC
But we enjoy watching Jade spew crazy conspiracy theories, and he's reliable at posting walls of text. If he ever actually said anything of value, sure, he'd be relevant, but until he does something actually threatening and not just amusing, it continues to be fun to throw a few facts and see what empty words we get back.

At the end of the day, we didn't even have to fire a shot. Simply declaring war brought us this and other magical threads. If your worldview can construe this as some sort of victory for you, power to you, I guess. It's been very entertaining from this side as well.

Hell, I will give you examples of real threats: Somehow taking away all of GSF's space. Somehow taking away all of GSF's money, both from moons and taxes, and figuring out a way to prevent us from ratting, mining, or otherwise earning more money. Somehow convincing the Mittani or other GSF leadership to quit EVE. Somehow interrupting our ability to continually recruit new blood.

Post about how you can do any one of these things, or other significant threats. Options which don't work:

Denying GSF members access to high sec.

Reason: We don't live in high sec, barring visitors and idiots.

Proof: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Deklein#sov
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#178 - 2012-06-14 19:59:26 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:

Adding to original post for clarification: "number of times your opponents AND THEIR ALTS post in your thread"


As one of the principle directives of Goonfleet is 'Never stop posting' I freely admit I do not understand you. You might have a point, but I admit in my worldview I am incapable of seeing it, so further arguing it with me is a fruitless endeavor. Sorry.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#179 - 2012-06-15 00:29:50 UTC
Kyle Myr wrote:


At the end of the day, we didn't even have to fire a shot. Simply declaring war brought us this and other magical threads.



Its true! your moon-goo laden Jump Freighter really didn't have to fire a single shot to provide immense amusement for all concerned.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#180 - 2012-06-15 00:33:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Kyle Myr
Jade Constantine wrote:

Its true! your moon-goo laden Jump Freighter really didn't have to fire a single shot to provide immense amusement for all concerned.


You cut to the a point we can actually agree on: goons taking in-alliance JFs to high sec to move their private products has been and continues to be a source of comedy. So it has been, so it shall be. I've seen a number of both red and blue freighters in high sec recently - it's astounding how many people make that mistake.

Thankfully, our directorate is slightly more organized than our general membership.

Edit: Caveat: Sometimes.