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I realize that 50B in losses that TEST/goons have in the highsec wars with SF/Honda aren't a big deal to them, but eventually the "idiot" members that keep losing their ships will start to get a bit annoyed, wouldn't they? Do they get a ship reimbursement for getting popped in high sec?

Regardless, it just seems we're heading for a giant merc corp that gets allied as everyone's free ally. Next of course, CCP will have to make another rule so that a merc corp can't be in more than one war at a time. Then someone will find another way to get around the system, and they'll have to make yet another rule ... It will be so structured with rules and conditions, they might as well go that route now, and just make a structured war with end conditions.

So it's five seconds or 5.9 seconds (approximately 6 seconds) for each cycle with lvl5 skill. Umm...

Goons aren't getting "bent over a barrel", they're ******* loving it lol. Some idiot gave them a free forever war against most of high sec.

And if you bothered to read the forums you'd notice goons have been heavily behind the technetium nerf proposals, especially mittens, despite owning large amounts of tech and having set up OTEC. As for soundwave, seriously, its his job. If he is making game design decisions that happen to coincide with what most null sec players want, maybe its because we share ideologies on game design?

Just because people have opinions differing to your own, does not make them biased. If you want to call our ideas stupid, sure, go ahead and try if you can back it up with some sound arguments. But when, unlike you, we are calling for changes whether they benefit us or not it is incredibly hypocritical to call us biased.

2 weeks u might not even bother.... leave it as it is... GSF took a bite of hghsec and are now crying that there teeth are broken.... let them learn there lesson, i think this is a awesome system we have now....

IF, and its a bit IF, u decide 2 implement a cost as the defender to recruit a ally, then make it cheep like 25mill per alliance/corp.
Mutual wars where the defender cant recruit help is BS, 100 man corp VS 9100 is BS give the little guys a chance at fighting back...
RETHINK THIS PATCH!
ITS TERRABAD!

O and did u pass this idea past the CSM?
good idea if u didn't, this tread says u should leave it as it is.... the CSM might have said the same as this thread or made a compromise, like i suggested....

I like these changes.

I have been saying it from the start something like this is required. As so many other mentioned the clown car aspect of the ally system was a bit ********.

There was no incentive to hire mercs when you can just enable... "I WANT HELP" and just about every corp could join for free. Those people know it was a ******** system that basically killed the Merc market. Not that you care probably as long as it did not kill you right? Great way to look at the bigger picture that is EVE.

People complain this put the advantage back to the aggressor...? No, this makes people now think before they take on Ally that is about as useful as your average trade hub camper. At least now it will be back to were corps look for people they no can defend them, go after your targets, and not just sit in Jita, Amarr, Rens, Hek, or Dix hoping to see a Flashing red target come past.

For the Past month people have been saying HTFU when it came to the Clown Car Ally system.... I suggest you also HTFU with these changes.

And if a 30 man corps decs you, what the problem of getting a 30 man ally in for free or 20 mil that, there are some that ask for no payment which means you only need to float the ally cost.

With these changes I surely have not lost hope with CCP.

In the same way that mercs never uses the ally system when the ally agreement locked them in indefinitely, these 'free allies' won't help if it means they'll have to join your alliances.

This is also because it makes it impossible to help out in several mutual wars. And it means only alliances but not corporations can get help with a mutual wardec.

There is just no good reason not to allow allies for a mutual wardec, since now it will simply obsolete the feature again by everyone except RvB, thus removing the BEST consequence mechanic from the Inferno changes (together with the dogpile mechanic).

Nice wardec exploit fixing, thanx CCP.

This might have been mentioned already, possibly in another thread, but:
Under this plan, the Armor Phasing skill increases cap use due to the faster cycle. Please either add a skill to counteract this or modify the skill to reduce the cap requirement in line with the cycle time reduction.

So I am in a big alliance I can bring all the friends I can carry.

But if I am smaller but ask people to ally with me in a war that costs money.

Thats stupid.

Not only stupid, I find it very unsandboxy. I thought that they wanted to build mechanics to that small alliances and corps have a future. And a future that doesn't involve getting absorbed by bigger entities.



And this. (this is not an attack against suicide ganking, I think both are A-ok)

Um no.

Pretty sure I have not seen anyone from CCP say it is an exploit. So it is totally legit until:

A) CCP makes an anouncement specifically saying that being an ally in a war dec is an exploit.

or

B) When 1.1 patch comes out and does not allow entities to save large alliances from... oh wait, sorry that is not the reason. *cough* To save the mercenary part of the.... lolololol... *cough* Sorry about that. I just don't see this change as what will bring back mercenary's as a real part of the game as long as there are players who view PvP as being fun and not a job.