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DazedOne
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#641 - 2012-06-13 01:33:03 UTC
For the love of all things holy please make this abomination efficient. Most everything you do in this UI takes more effort than the previous version. What about that do you devs not understand?????????? I mean seriously, why do you not understand this simple concept?????????

Old UI took less clicks to accomplish simple tasks
New UI takes more clicks to accomplish the same thing

Old UI didn't freeze or lag when moving large amounts of items
New UI lags or freezes when moving small amounts of inventory

Looks to me like we are starting to see a simple correlation here; everything we did with the old UI was far superior to this unfinished product you forced down our throats. Thanks CCP for pushing out unfinished garbage.

Zelman Axe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#642 - 2012-06-13 01:39:28 UTC
I loathe opening the inventory to find anything my alt flies a carrier couldnt find the fuel bay why wrap all this up in the UI. I REALLY HATE THIS UI I have been battling with it for weeks please return the old one or give us the option to use classic view it cant be that hard surely. One thing I would like is an in depth reason for changing the old UI to the new unusable version.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#643 - 2012-06-13 03:07:14 UTC
Zelman Axe wrote:
I loathe opening the inventory to find anything my alt flies a carrier couldnt find the fuel bay why wrap all this up in the UI. I REALLY HATE THIS UI I have been battling with it for weeks please return the old one or give us the option to use classic view it cant be that hard surely. One thing I would like is an in depth reason for changing the old UI to the new unusable version.


Hard is relative. Perhaps to a decent bunch of programmers it wouldnt be hard.
ZaBob
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#644 - 2012-06-13 03:10:31 UTC
Maul555 wrote:
Dream Five wrote:
Maul555 wrote:
Dream Five... rip out your entire client and reinstall. you are getting some severe problems that I have not heard much about from other people.


No thanks, i'd rather quit.



Whatever makes you happy. But local clients do get messed up from time to time, and there may be no possible update in the world that will fix it...

From a purely troubleshooting standpoint, you need to reinstall your client before making one more complaint on that issue. You symptoms appear to be unique/rare, and nobody can really know for sure what is causing the problem until you take that basic step.

Or to put it another way; Prove it's not your client, so you can confidently shove it in CCP's face


Given the way it computes patches, it shouldn't be necessary to rip it out; it should be able to repair itself if it's corrupted.

And that's why there's a 'Repair' shortcut: All Programs / EVE / Repair.

That's all anyone should have to do -- unless it's so hosed that that croaks.
ZaBob
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#645 - 2012-06-13 03:14:27 UTC
Dream Five wrote:
Maul555 wrote:
Dream Five wrote:
Maul555 wrote:
Dream Five... rip out your entire client and reinstall. you are getting some severe problems that I have not heard much about from other people.


No thanks, i'd rather quit.



Whatever makes you happy. But local clients do get messed up from time to time, and there may be no possible update in the world that will fix it...

From a purely troubleshooting standpoint, you need to reinstall your client before making one more complaint on that issue. You symptoms appear to be unique/rare, and nobody can really know for sure what is causing the problem until you take that basic step.

Or to put it another way; Prove it's not your client, so you can confidently shove it in CCP's face


2 machines, similar symptomes to a bug they already fixed. Enough for me.


Also similar to bugs reported and acknowledged as duplicating bugs they now about.
Dennie Fleetfoot
DUST University
#646 - 2012-06-13 09:38:01 UTC
I doubt the dev's are still reading this thread at this point because there's the thread for the inferno 1.1 Sisi changes.

But I have question not about feedback as such but one on a more human level.

Are you guys beginning to wish this was a task you never started? Like tidying your bedroom up or cleaning an oven because its one of those things that never seems to end? What?

CEO Dust University

CPM 1&2 Member

www.twitter.com/DennieFleetfoot
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#647 - 2012-06-13 09:41:06 UTC
CCP has to think about it, why it was necessary to bring out two new forum rules.
Sure the hate and upcoming increased personal attack on CCP employees is not tolerable. But at least obvious. It is not so, that the majority of the eve community is upset because CCP did a good job or listened to the customer. It is because they force unwanted and unfinished things that where far away from ANY usability or improvement and completely ignore ALL customers who pays to play the game and do not want to test it; or being unable to play the game any longer because of this absolute terrible UI. It is a fact that barely one loves this UI. Have a look at all the different threads in the forum. (If you are able to find all of them.)

As it is now: CCP denies every statement what they will do in the FUTURE. They only let us know little things about the next week. What comes next month? What will you bring MORE to improve the UI? Just “Improvements” and “Listened feedback” is not enough to calm down the player base who don’t like the unified inventory.
I had a small “conversion” with two CCP’s in another thread. And not surprisingly; all I got was nothing constructive from them. I can not write or link the comments from them because they are deleted and a reconstruction from my memory would not give a proper picture.

So I would really suggest to bring a information website where all interested people can have a look at the planned changes for this UI. I, and perhaps many others, do not need a tight fit high-tech masterplan with all details and the correct time frame.
Just a list with all ideas which will come back to this UI. And an explanation why something will not come back. Denial of a right click menu or an icon at the NeoCom would be not a good idea. It would be easy to implement and would help players. Why deny this changes? That makes no sense.

The DEV’s and CCP’s are under enormous pressure. But its not the fault of the paying customer. Its CCP’s and its release dogma fault. So please stop forcing and do not ban people because they feel ignored from you and want a statement from you. Say something more than just empty phrases like “Improvements” and so on. WHAT exact do you plan? Why do you not rebuild (I want not a roll back) the old UI and degrade this unified UI to the asset window as many others asked?

I do not like your filters. WHY? I have containers which I can not access with this current UI.
I do not like the est. price calculation. It is always wrong, not useable and causes lag and calculation time.
I do not like to have elements into one window that doesn’t belong together.
I do not like to have more shortcuts or SHIFT+X solutions to have my windows back!
I just want double clicks and right click options and icons in the NeoCom. (without any shift)

Think about it and please react. Someone in the forum stated “Please stop beginning your DevBlogs with ‘Hello Spacefriends’. At this point we are no friends anymore.”
This alone should show the mood of many players at present.
Continue to act as you do since 22.05.2012 and EVE will possibly not reach the 10th anniversary.

CCP is your company; EVE is your child; but without enough customers you can not pay your bills and employ your people or develop the game. I am at the point where EVE has no fun for me anymore. Sadly- but it is the hard fact.

Callidus Dux
(no gameplay since 22.05.2012)
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#648 - 2012-06-13 11:13:45 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Goliath
Callidus Dux wrote:
CCP has to think about it, why it was necessary to bring out two new forum rules.
Sure the hate and upcoming increased personal attack on CCP employees is not tolerable. But at least obvious. It is not so, that the majority of the eve community is upset because CCP did a good job or listened to the customer. It is because they force unwanted and unfinished things that where far away from ANY usability or improvement and completely ignore ALL customers who pays to play the game and do not want to test it; or being unable to play the game any longer because of this absolute terrible UI. It is a fact that barely one loves this UI. Have a look at all the different threads in the forum. (If you are able to find all of them.)

As it is now: CCP denies every statement what they will do in the FUTURE. They only let us know little things about the next week. What comes next month? What will you bring MORE to improve the UI? Just “Improvements” and “Listened feedback” is not enough to calm down the player base who don’t like the unified inventory.
I had a small “conversion” with two CCP’s in another thread. And not surprisingly; all I got was nothing constructive from them. I can not write or link the comments from them because they are deleted and a reconstruction from my memory would not give a proper picture.

So I would really suggest to bring a information website where all interested people can have a look at the planned changes for this UI. I, and perhaps many others, do not need a tight fit high-tech masterplan with all details and the correct time frame.
Just a list with all ideas which will come back to this UI. And an explanation why something will not come back. Denial of a right click menu or an icon at the NeoCom would be not a good idea. It would be easy to implement and would help players. Why deny this changes? That makes no sense.

The DEV’s and CCP’s are under enormous pressure. But its not the fault of the paying customer. Its CCP’s and its release dogma fault. So please stop forcing and do not ban people because they feel ignored from you and want a statement from you. Say something more than just empty phrases like “Improvements” and so on. WHAT exact do you plan? Why do you not rebuild (I want not a roll back) the old UI and degrade this unified UI to the asset window as many others asked?

I do not like your filters. WHY? I have containers which I can not access with this current UI.
I do not like the est. price calculation. It is always wrong, not useable and causes lag and calculation time.
I do not like to have elements into one window that doesn’t belong together.
I do not like to have more shortcuts or SHIFT+X solutions to have my windows back!
I just want double clicks and right click options and icons in the NeoCom. (without any shift)

Think about it and please react. Someone in the forum stated “Please stop beginning your DevBlogs with ‘Hello Spacefriends’. At this point we are no friends anymore.”
This alone should show the mood of many players at present.
Continue to act as you do since 22.05.2012 and EVE will possibly not reach the 10th anniversary.

CCP is your company; EVE is your child; but without enough customers you can not pay your bills and employ your people or develop the game. I am at the point where EVE has no fun for me anymore. Sadly- but it is the hard fact.

Callidus Dux
(no gameplay since 22.05.2012)


At absolutely no point should any hard working developer have to suffer a personal attack for doing the oh-so-terrible-thing of communicating with their customers or changing a feature in a game. Your behaviour in the Inferno 1.1 Sisi Feedback thread was atrocious which is why your posts were deleted. You didn't bring anything but ranting and namecalling to the table, and this is why you didn't get anything constructive.

Your comment about majority is way off. This thread has 113 unique users posting in it. It's called a vocal minority and is very common on forums, and it makes it seem like far more people are angry if you get a 33 page threadnaught going, but the average posts per user in this thread is 4, and 10% of the total posts in it have been made by one user. Approximately 45% of the total posts have been made by the top 10 posters in the thread, of who I am one. Someone trolling our devblog opening is not an indication of "the mood of many players at present". I don't debate that there is a number of people who are disaffected at the moment, but your estimation of their percentage of the player base is grandly overstated.

EDIT: "(no gameplay since 22.05.2012)" All this does is tell me that you haven't tried out any of the fixes and are just soapboxing.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Rrama Ratamnim
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#649 - 2012-06-13 12:02:16 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
At absolutely no point should any hard working developer have to suffer a personal attack for doing the oh-so-terrible-thing of communicating with their customers or changing a feature in a game. Your behaviour in the Inferno 1.1 Sisi Feedback thread was atrocious which is why your posts were deleted. You didn't bring anything but ranting and namecalling to the table, and this is why you didn't get anything constructive.

Your comment about majority is way off. This thread has 113 unique users posting in it. It's called a vocal minority and is very common on forums, and it makes it seem like far more people are angry if you get a 33 page threadnaught going, but the average posts per user in this thread is 4, and 10% of the total posts in it have been made by one user. Approximately 45% of the total posts have been made by the top 10 posters in the thread, of who I am one. Someone trolling our devblog opening is not an indication of "the mood of many players at present". I don't debate that there is a number of people who are disaffected at the moment, but your estimation of their percentage of the player base is grandly overstated.

EDIT: "(no gameplay since 22.05.2012)" All this does is tell me that you haven't tried out any of the fixes and are just soapboxing.


SLAM! Lol, and about damn time, it seems to always be a select subset of people every f*cking time theres a feature release that are just purely bitching nonstop with no constructive criticism....

And then we get people wondering why we have no f*cking devblogs, no f*cking dev to player discussions, its because EVERY TIME THEY SAY SOMETHING THIS SUBSET IS CASTRATING THEM!

For the love of god file bug reports, drop notes on your thoughts on changes, and tweaks that have been made, and maybe even the suggestions, why the hell is there call for peoples jobs and other personal attacks, and **** its rediculous!

For the love of god i work for an ISP and i've had a$$hole customers that have come in and got upset but even they later apologize, this group just is insanely poor mannered and idiotic, bitching and RANTING isn't going to result i anything but Goliath having to ban and erase more people and threads...

how about people follow the awesome eve motto of HTFU!


That said, Goliath any update when we're gonna get any devblogs on new modules, and new stuff in the pipeline?
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#650 - 2012-06-13 12:04:23 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:


At absolutely no point should any hard working developer have to suffer a personal attack for doing the oh-so-terrible-thing of communicating with their customers or changing a feature in a game. Your behaviour in the Inferno 1.1 Sisi Feedback thread was atrocious which is why your posts were deleted. You didn't bring anything but ranting and namecalling to the table, and this is why you didn't get anything constructive.

Your comment about majority is way off. This thread has 113 unique users posting in it. It's called a vocal minority and is very common on forums, and it makes it seem like far more people are angry if you get a 33 page threadnaught going, but the average posts per user in this thread is 4, and 10% of the total posts in it have been made by one user. Approximately 45% of the total posts have been made by the top 10 posters in the thread, of who I am one. Someone trolling our devblog opening is not an indication of "the mood of many players at present". I don't debate that there is a number of people who are disaffected at the moment, but your estimation of their percentage of the player base is grandly overstated.

EDIT: "(no gameplay since 22.05.2012)" All this does is tell me that you haven't tried out any of the fixes and are just soapboxing.


The fixes are irrelevant. It still takes double the mouse clicks and tripple the attention to perform the simplest of tasks like transferring some nanite repair past from my booster ship to my pvp ship in space (as i just found out).

I interact with dozens of people on a nearly daily basis and i dont know a single person who likes the way the UI is going. In my circle everyone dislikes it relative to the old system, just a few of us are vocal about it.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#651 - 2012-06-13 12:04:26 UTC
Rrama Ratamnim wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
At absolutely no point should any hard working developer have to suffer a personal attack for doing the oh-so-terrible-thing of communicating with their customers or changing a feature in a game. Your behaviour in the Inferno 1.1 Sisi Feedback thread was atrocious which is why your posts were deleted. You didn't bring anything but ranting and namecalling to the table, and this is why you didn't get anything constructive.

Your comment about majority is way off. This thread has 113 unique users posting in it. It's called a vocal minority and is very common on forums, and it makes it seem like far more people are angry if you get a 33 page threadnaught going, but the average posts per user in this thread is 4, and 10% of the total posts in it have been made by one user. Approximately 45% of the total posts have been made by the top 10 posters in the thread, of who I am one. Someone trolling our devblog opening is not an indication of "the mood of many players at present". I don't debate that there is a number of people who are disaffected at the moment, but your estimation of their percentage of the player base is grandly overstated.

EDIT: "(no gameplay since 22.05.2012)" All this does is tell me that you haven't tried out any of the fixes and are just soapboxing.


SLAM! Lol, and about damn time, it seems to always be a select subset of people every f*cking time theres a feature release that are just purely bitching nonstop with no constructive criticism....

And then we get people wondering why we have no f*cking devblogs, no f*cking dev to player discussions, its because EVERY TIME THEY SAY SOMETHING THIS SUBSET IS CASTRATING THEM!

For the love of god file bug reports, drop notes on your thoughts on changes, and tweaks that have been made, and maybe even the suggestions, why the hell is there call for peoples jobs and other personal attacks, and **** its rediculous!

For the love of god i work for an ISP and i've had a$$hole customers that have come in and got upset but even they later apologize, this group just is insanely poor mannered and idiotic, bitching and RANTING isn't going to result i anything but Goliath having to ban and erase more people and threads...

how about people follow the awesome eve motto of HTFU!


That said, Goliath any update when we're gonna get any devblogs on new modules, and new stuff in the pipeline?


I believe there is a Minmatar V3 devblog in the works, as well as my own scintillating one about development practises here at CCP. Beyond that, Guard or others would have to comment as I'm not sure.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#652 - 2012-06-13 12:10:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
CCP Goliath wrote:
Rrama Ratamnim wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
At absolutely no point should any hard working developer have to suffer a personal attack for doing the oh-so-terrible-thing of communicating with their customers or changing a feature in a game. Your behaviour in the Inferno 1.1 Sisi Feedback thread was atrocious which is why your posts were deleted. You didn't bring anything but ranting and namecalling to the table, and this is why you didn't get anything constructive.

Your comment about majority is way off. This thread has 113 unique users posting in it. It's called a vocal minority and is very common on forums, and it makes it seem like far more people are angry if you get a 33 page threadnaught going, but the average posts per user in this thread is 4, and 10% of the total posts in it have been made by one user. Approximately 45% of the total posts have been made by the top 10 posters in the thread, of who I am one. Someone trolling our devblog opening is not an indication of "the mood of many players at present". I don't debate that there is a number of people who are disaffected at the moment, but your estimation of their percentage of the player base is grandly overstated.

EDIT: "(no gameplay since 22.05.2012)" All this does is tell me that you haven't tried out any of the fixes and are just soapboxing.


SLAM! Lol, and about damn time, it seems to always be a select subset of people every f*cking time theres a feature release that are just purely bitching nonstop with no constructive criticism....

And then we get people wondering why we have no f*cking devblogs, no f*cking dev to player discussions, its because EVERY TIME THEY SAY SOMETHING THIS SUBSET IS CASTRATING THEM!

For the love of god file bug reports, drop notes on your thoughts on changes, and tweaks that have been made, and maybe even the suggestions, why the hell is there call for peoples jobs and other personal attacks, and **** its rediculous!

For the love of god i work for an ISP and i've had a$$hole customers that have come in and got upset but even they later apologize, this group just is insanely poor mannered and idiotic, bitching and RANTING isn't going to result i anything but Goliath having to ban and erase more people and threads...

how about people follow the awesome eve motto of HTFU!


That said, Goliath any update when we're gonna get any devblogs on new modules, and new stuff in the pipeline?


I believe there is a Minmatar V3 devblog in the works, as well as my own scintillating one about development practises here at CCP. Beyond that, Guard or others would have to comment as I'm not sure.


http://clip2net.com/s/21QN0 this is where my ship cargo container lives. Everywhere else ont he screen is used for overview, scanner, local chat, selected items, show info or my main stack of other windows. Leaving some space in the middle for watching 'splosions.

How in hell do you expect me to use that. There are other locations on screen where things like wrecks/cans open, or different location still where staton containers open when docked (where my selected items/drones window is while im in space.

FFS tell me how im supposed to use this crap in one window that lives in that space?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwkqcVkmKpg please watch it and see what a botch us people who actually play the game are dealing with.
Gainard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#653 - 2012-06-13 12:18:40 UTC
It may well be only 113 unique users. In this thread. I know of at least three more threads I have posted in with 50+ pages. There are probably a couple threads more. There may also be some complaints delivered via the bug reporting system. However, most players never post at all. It's the same with a bad restaurant, most people do not complain, they simply do not come back.

Of those who do post the vast majority is deeply dissatisfied with the UI and CCP's handling of it.

You can not deny there is no thread with 100+ unique users that express their happiness about the UI.

You can not deny that what has been accomplished with few clicks before now takes more clicks and takes more time than before.
You can not deny that opening a second window involves the keyboard - that was not required before.
You can not deny that ship cargo does not open on login as it did before.
You can not deny the lag to display the windows' content when entering a station, which was not a problem before.
You can not deny that the UI is buggy - OK, that counts for all new content, but that does not mean it has to be that way.
You can not deny, that there is still no proper explanation as to why you forced the UI upon us.
You can not deny there was no warning from the SiSi users.

You can deny to revert back to the old system - if you can make the UI work for us then these threads go dead. You may even get a thank you here and there.

You may keep the UI without addressing our suggestions and problems. But people will quit - certainly not a majority, otherwise you would have more posts here. But its a revenue cut that is easily avoidable.

In business its always easier to keep your customer happy so they come back for more (in this case stay on) than to accquire new customers.

Man, I train for certain goals and then the related skills / modules / ships get nerfed. I hate to be addicted to EVE.
Rrama Ratamnim
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#654 - 2012-06-13 12:20:22 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwkqcVkmKpg please watch it and see what a botch us people who actually play the game are dealing with.


good video demonstration, though you honestly go off on tangents,

complaining that your cargo containers in tabs missing is annoying, its not CCP's fault you refuse to exapnd the tree and single click and use the treeview

the rest is kinda funny but all good points, truely recommend the ccp devs watch it its quite descriptive.
Rrama Ratamnim
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#655 - 2012-06-13 12:22:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Rrama Ratamnim
Gainard wrote:
It may well be only 113 unique users. In this thread. I know of at least three more threads I have posted in with 50+ pages. There are probably a couple threads more. There may also be some complaints delivered via the bug reporting system. However, most players never post at all. It's the same with a bad restaurant, most people do not complain, they simply do not come back.

Of those who do post the vast majority is deeply dissatisfied with the UI and CCP's handling of it.

You can not deny there is no thread with 100+ unique users that express their happiness about the UI.

.



got to comment on this dude, the fact is ccp will never get threads of 100+ uniques of people happy ... why? because 99% of the forum are trolls, and the people that do like things dont whine on the forum ... they play the f*cking game.



ON A SEPERATE NOTE

Goliath can you please ask devs when they are bringing back the shortcuts to things like drone bay, corp hanger, fuel bay in the right click, i'm pretty sure they said they were going to bring them back, as it is the fact theres no direct way to open a window via shortcut to open drone or fuel bay is a valid complaint, cargo has a button the other bays dont, so if no button it should be back in the right click menu.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#656 - 2012-06-13 12:24:29 UTC
Rrama Ratamnim wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwkqcVkmKpg please watch it and see what a botch us people who actually play the game are dealing with.


good video demonstration, though you honestly go off on tangents,

complaining that your cargo containers in tabs missing is annoying, its not CCP's fault you refuse to exapnd the tree and single click and use the treeview

the rest is kinda funny but all good points, truely recommend the ccp devs watch it its quite descriptive.


I dont really have the vertical space to use a tree view without constantly clicking and misclicking on some tarded scrollbar.
Im not a mission runner. In some stations i have 40 ships from time to time. A scroll bar that is on such a short window with that many objects is unusable.
Makari Aeron
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#657 - 2012-06-13 12:25:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Makari Aeron
@CCP Goliath: would it be possible for you (or anyone else at CCP really) to make a thread stating your explicit standings on the Unified Inventory? ie: "you're not getting the old one back so QYB" and make it a locked announcement or a locked sticky so that when people whine and ***** and complain about the Unified Inventory they can be pointed there and then their posts are irrevocably removed.

That would be a feature I could get behind Blink

CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.

CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP
Hannott Thanos
Squadron 15
#658 - 2012-06-13 12:26:12 UTC
Gainard wrote:
/rant.


Learn to EvE. The UI is not worse, it's different, and you clearly have no adaptability what.so.ever.

while (CurrentSelectedTarget.Status == ShipStatus.Alive) {

     _myShip.FireAllGuns(CurrentSelectedTarget);

}
Rrama Ratamnim
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#659 - 2012-06-13 12:27:11 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Rrama Ratamnim wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwkqcVkmKpg please watch it and see what a botch us people who actually play the game are dealing with.


good video demonstration, though you honestly go off on tangents,

complaining that your cargo containers in tabs missing is annoying, its not CCP's fault you refuse to exapnd the tree and single click and use the treeview

the rest is kinda funny but all good points, truely recommend the ccp devs watch it its quite descriptive.


I dont really have the vertical space to use a tree view without constantly clicking and misclicking on some tarded scrollbar.
Im not a mission runner. In some stations i have 40 ships from time to time. A scroll bar that is on such a short window with that many objects is unusable.


umm minimize the ship tree, and click "ship hanger" when you want to see ship icons to switch ships etc... it just feels like your use of that sidebar item/ship window is you trying to force the inventory to be the old inventory rather than just adapting.

saying having 100 ships is an issue is moot when you just click the - and all the ships disappear from the treeview
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#660 - 2012-06-13 12:30:44 UTC
Rrama Ratamnim wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Rrama Ratamnim wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwkqcVkmKpg please watch it and see what a botch us people who actually play the game are dealing with.


good video demonstration, though you honestly go off on tangents,

complaining that your cargo containers in tabs missing is annoying, its not CCP's fault you refuse to exapnd the tree and single click and use the treeview

the rest is kinda funny but all good points, truely recommend the ccp devs watch it its quite descriptive.


I dont really have the vertical space to use a tree view without constantly clicking and misclicking on some tarded scrollbar.
Im not a mission runner. In some stations i have 40 ships from time to time. A scroll bar that is on such a short window with that many objects is unusable.


umm minimize the ship tree, and click "ship hanger" when you want to see ship icons to switch ships etc... it just feels like your use of that sidebar item/ship window is you trying to force the inventory to be the old inventory rather than just adapting.

saying having 100 ships is an issue is moot when you just click the - and all the ships disappear from the treeview


Doesnt get around the fact that the space i have in the station window is otherwise unused. Also doesnt get around the fact that if that were gone i would have a single item height window to find everything.
I would rather quit than give more space to a container window, just because it shares space with my ships.