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if you want to make incursions interesting and fun again make it more realistic like pvp instead of a isk grinding activity which it mostly is you do vanguards in shiny fleets and ignore all others.
you wouldn't use battleships to kill frigs i mean who thought of that?.

The idea of shiny frigate fleets is lovely.

WTB smartbombs.

Ever tried PvEing in syndicate? It's fun.

It was my impression that incursions were partially developed with highsec in mind. There was talk of promoting interaction and learning of basic fleet mechanics which people in low/null would be expected to have.

IIRC the difference is a little over 30%, which is nominal given the additional effort required to form a fleet and get ships to location. You also cannot use the same "shiny" fleets, unless you are very certain of how secure the area is, and a noticeable increase in NPC deaths will very quickly bring people to the system to check on you.

Basically if you think waiting a little while for a fleet in high sec is bad, try forming a low sec incursion fleet.

I don't think nerfing of the the 10% VG payouts was a major issue in plummeting interest - as someone pointed out, if a site takes 3-4x time to do, that's a 60-70% nerf.. And it's not like the influence does not hit 0% in the one that the community chooses to focus on these days. You'll very probably find that this roll-back will have minimal influence on how many VGs are run, and how the community responds through its actions.

The reason is because earlier, VGs were FUN to run. Small fleets, fast paced action, space for intelligent use of ships and tactics even when not blitzing. Now, it's just a grind. Kinda like WoW. And that is simply not fun.

In an ideal world, you could spawn a second class of incursions where the 10% reduction in bounty and influence difficulty remain, but the sites are more interesting to do. Either through the reintroduction of the trigger, or even better, random spawns or random triggers. I think you'll find much more interest in those sites, even as risk is aligned with reward.

What is sad about this nerf is that it also decimated the great incursion community that had formed. Please take away what caused that demise, and incursions will make sense again.

I have this odd feeling that I'm the only one who likes OTA's now...

Very quick and to the point.

The changes are a start but I don't feel they really are enough to get people running vg's again. They also don't address the biggest issue, that being the ota's. OTA's are too hard for fleets other than super shiney ones. So the end result is going to be stacking OTA's in systems with very few, if any, fleet running them.


Honestly, I'd be happier if the OTA's were changed and everything else was left the same.

I'm not saying they can't be done. I'm saying that because they take so damned long to do that people just don't want to bother. They can make better money running missions for crying out loud or doing what many others have and that's just go run as/hq's.

We don't need to talk multiples, we need to talk straight isk/hour. The payouts were too high, and now they're too low. Even though we do have a closed pool of allies to draw from, not everyone is available to run 23/7, especially during deployments.

Lowsec & nullsec incursions should be balanced to pay out about as much per individual as high-end solo ratting, or else everyone is just going to go hide in their sanctums with their tengus instead of coming out to socialize.

Currently, in Fountain, doing anomalies with a tengu that has fighters assigned to it can make upwards of 90m/hr. Many people who don't have a carrier have a second tengu and can make even more.

CCP: We don't care what the missions are or what flaming hoops we have to jump through to get the payouts, as long as it's balanced with other forms of income.

The magic number is between 80-90.