EVE General Discussion

If you do the tutorials you get a couple of ships and learn how things work.

So noob ships are not hurting Eve at all.

Why do you think there shouldn't be any tutorials in EVE -- because it creates an artificial distinction between new players and experienced players. also, training new people really should be player-generated content. EVE University is an excellent example of that in action.

Do tutorials give the impression to new players that the game is too easy? -- they don't make it appear to easy so much as fail to prepare you for how hard it is. This is likely because CCP doesn't want to scare new people away.

Do tutorials fail to weed out the new players who "can't cut it"? -- most likely. people still won't tank their hulks afterall.

Are you concerned that in influx of new players may dilute the game? -- not at all.

Well I use noob ships to pick small assets that are far away from my homebase.
Since I just use frigates, its easy to use then to reach a lost frigate or get some cargo like crystals, ammo or mods.
No harm on those.

You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about this for some reason. Hell, if more players did even the combat tutorials (including the one that ambushes you and murders your poor frigate by blobbing it with rats OMG SPOILERS) EVE would be a better place. You come across as wanting the game to stagnate through a lack of new players for some reason. Can't really figure out why you would want to make even operating the controls for things more difficult for new players since that's essentially what the tutorial missions do.

Also, here's a shock in word usage for you, there is a real distinction between new players and old players. Its called being new and clueless. EVE does not have intutive idiot-friendly controls. EVE does not have a typical game layout. When I started I had entirely no idea what was going on. The tutorial missions at least did some work towards clearing that out. Every time I invite a new player to join with me AWOXing some corp or just plain messing around and showing them what EVE is like I encourage them to use the tutorials before they undock with me so they have a good place to start from and some basic understanding of the basic modules and how to use them instead of just marching them out and having them learn by dying and not knowing why. Learning is based on what knowledge you have and what understanding you have of the situation at hand. the tutorials give new players that information.

Get over yourself.

To go hand in hand with the "Slippery Slope Fallacy", we have the "Sandbox Fallacy".

In either case, giving new players, (or anyone, for that matter) a tier 3 frigate for doing nothing else but starting to play the game is irresponsible at best. Sure, it might hurt more to lose that Rifter through ignorance, but will the lesson truly be learned? It might very well have the effect of creating an illusion that the game is harder than it really is. In other words, it's one thing to slap the crap out of someone who knows no better, and quite another to do the same to someone being careless and imprudent.

Make T1 frigates more useful.

As a new player I can tell you I won't resub due to being essentially locked out of more than half the game. No Faction Warfare. No PVP. No low/null sec. Every time I try any of those I am blown away before I am even in the fight. I don't mind risky or competitive but I do mind not even being able to compete.

Enhancing the T1 Frigates gets new players into combat faster. It also gets us into Low Sec faster. I can tell you, with things as they are now, I wouldn't venture into low or null again for probably 3 - 6 months, until my tech levels hit 2 for everything I use.

And if I am going to have to wait 6 months to play the whole game, well, it isn't worth the wait. Plain and simple.

Actually, that might be the OP's goal.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1450994

That's funny OP, Having a noob ship then constantly getting upgrades and new ships and slowly making my way up to higher tier ships is what made me buy my first month in the first place, about 4 days ago.

I think you need to actually state legitmate sources instead of spewing out crap from your mouth, because i'm sure your Butt is getting jealous of it.

Apart from it being a known troll posting this

Merlin - requires Caldari Frigate 3.
New char gets Caldari Frigate 2.

This means you have put them into a ship that they cannot operate, let alone the issue(s) surrounding what fittings will they get. Civilian everything???

Rookie ships are fun.