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Noob Ships are Hurting the New Player Experience more than Anything.
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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-06-11 22:05:55 UTC
Welcome to EVE.

Here's a ship so useless you'll only use it as a launch pad to getting a ship that isn't gimped beyond all measure.

U mad bro?

Just give all new players a free Merlin or Incursus or Rifter when they start and give noob ships when they die. By getting a useful ship when they first start EVE, they will enjoy the game and stick around. And if they lose that ship, they get their free ibis until they buy a new good frigate.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2 - 2012-06-11 22:08:05 UTC
…you mean kind of like what the newbie missions do these days?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3 - 2012-06-11 22:08:47 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Welcome to EVE.

Here's a ship so useless you'll only use it as a launch pad to getting a ship that isn't gimped beyond all measure.

U mad bro?

Just give all new players a free Merlin or Incursus or Rifter when they start and give noob ships when they die. By getting a useful ship when they first start EVE, they will enjoy the game and stick around. And if they lose that ship, they get their free ibis until they buy a new good frigate.

They'll lose the Rifter pretty fast too.

Though it'll teach them about how losing stuff makes EVE hard when they get downgraded to a noobship.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
George Whitebread
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-06-11 22:10:10 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Welcome to EVE.

Here's a ship so useless you'll only use it as a launch pad to getting a ship that isn't gimped beyond all measure.

U mad bro?

Just give all new players a free Merlin or Incursus or Rifter when they start and give noob ships when they die. By getting a useful ship when they first start EVE, they will enjoy the game and stick around. And if they lose that ship, they get their free ibis until they buy a new good frigate.


OK, the concept is fine, but giving them the best T1 frigate right away? A bit overdone, don't you think? I can accept Executioner, Condor, Atron and Slasher, but not the top combat frigates.

"I say what I like, and I like what I bloody well say" - George Whitebread
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#5 - 2012-06-11 22:10:28 UTC
Tell you what lets give them all a BS with the skills to match, then the complaints will be why don't we give them Titans Roll

Tal

Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#6 - 2012-06-11 22:11:05 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Welcome to EVE.

Here's a ship so useless you'll only use it as a launch pad to getting a ship that isn't gimped beyond all measure.

U mad bro?

Just give all new players a free Merlin or Incursus or Rifter when they start and give noob ships when they die. By getting a useful ship when they first start EVE, they will enjoy the game and stick around. And if they lose that ship, they get their free ibis until they buy a new good frigate.

Oh those frigates are pretty useless and won't get them far

Why don't we just give all new chars 100mil SP to allocate and a titan?

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Orlacc
#7 - 2012-06-11 22:11:28 UTC
Hey how is that popular Hi-Sec Ganking thing you started going?

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-06-11 22:12:43 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Tell you what lets give them all a BS with the skills to match, then the complaints will be why don't we give them Titans Roll

Tal



EEEh how about no.

This is what we call the slippery slope fallacy.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#9 - 2012-06-11 22:13:48 UTC
This is a sandbox. If new players have a bad time playing, it's our collective fault and not CCP's. In other words, you are to blame.
Cyprus Amaro
Tortuga Coalition 102
#10 - 2012-06-11 22:14:34 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Welcome to EVE.

Here's a ship so useless you'll only use it as a launch pad to getting a ship that isn't gimped beyond all measure.

U mad bro?

Just give all new players a free Merlin or Incursus or Rifter when they start and give noob ships when they die. By getting a useful ship when they first start EVE, they will enjoy the game and stick around. And if they lose that ship, they get their free ibis until they buy a new good frigate.


As Tippia pointed out, the Tutorial Missions do give new players a frigate, some skill books, and an Indy as well. So it looks like CCP read your mind even before you thought of the idea. Pretty darn good customer service that....
Torneach
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-06-11 22:15:14 UTC
A badpost a day keeps the doctor away?
Kijo Rikki
Killboard Padding Services
#12 - 2012-06-11 22:15:41 UTC
new players should get to test drive the jovian doomsday frigate.

You make a valid point, good Sir or Madam. 
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-06-11 22:15:44 UTC
Cyprus Amaro wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Welcome to EVE.

Here's a ship so useless you'll only use it as a launch pad to getting a ship that isn't gimped beyond all measure.

U mad bro?

Just give all new players a free Merlin or Incursus or Rifter when they start and give noob ships when they die. By getting a useful ship when they first start EVE, they will enjoy the game and stick around. And if they lose that ship, they get their free ibis until they buy a new good frigate.


As Tippia pointed out, the Tutorial Missions do give new players a frigate, some skill books, and an Indy as well. So it looks like CCP read your mind even before you thought of the idea. Pretty darn good customer service that....


To be honest I don't think there should be any tutorials in EVE.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#14 - 2012-06-11 22:17:17 UTC
The tutorials give at least 4 free frigates, a destroyer and a hauler.

4/10 Since you made me respond
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-06-11 22:17:24 UTC
In fact, why do we even have noob ships?

I can only imagine they keep you from ever becoming "shipless" if you have some bad luck, but surely there's another way.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2012-06-11 22:19:00 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
In fact, why do we even have noob ships?
To protect your pod.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#17 - 2012-06-11 22:21:39 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Cyprus Amaro wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Welcome to EVE.

Here's a ship so useless you'll only use it as a launch pad to getting a ship that isn't gimped beyond all measure.

U mad bro?

Just give all new players a free Merlin or Incursus or Rifter when they start and give noob ships when they die. By getting a useful ship when they first start EVE, they will enjoy the game and stick around. And if they lose that ship, they get their free ibis until they buy a new good frigate.


As Tippia pointed out, the Tutorial Missions do give new players a frigate, some skill books, and an Indy as well. So it looks like CCP read your mind even before you thought of the idea. Pretty darn good customer service that....


To be honest I don't think there should be any tutorials in EVE.


Your pi*sed or trolling or pis*ed and trolling

Tal
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#18 - 2012-06-11 22:21:53 UTC
Tippia wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
In fact, why do we even have noob ships?
To protect your pod.

yup

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#19 - 2012-06-11 22:25:09 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Tippia wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
In fact, why do we even have noob ships?
To protect your pod.

yup

If you have nothing, you at least have the noobship. Your pod can't make money if you don't have any, at least the noobship can kill some frigs to make isk.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2012-06-11 22:27:44 UTC
Bhaalgorns for everyone! Big smile

If I ever ran for CSM that'd be my position P

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
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