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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#101 - 2012-06-10 16:04:04 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Uinuva Karma wrote:
Take your buddies and claim your own space, make it as strong as you want.

Get hot-dropped a week later and lose it all...
If that's how strong you want it to be, yes.
If not, then no.
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#102 - 2012-06-10 16:06:15 UTC
Aramatheia wrote:
sigh i typed a huge long post in reply to this but upon clicking post it erased my post and left me with nothing.. im not retyping it all just want to say read my last post, the one you quoted is one where im doing what i hate which is, raging at people raging at people.

im not against stuff blowing up nor am i against protecting my own assets and making them less appealing to the folks who do the blowing up

What I presented wasn't raging.

It was statistical analysis. And in so doing, I presented a counter-argument to a logical fallacy based on bad stats analysis.

I am sorry if my facts appeared like raging to you. I clearly wasn't. I hope after stepping away from the keyboard and taking some chill pills you can now see this.

LOL @ the thought of that quote being raging.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-06-10 16:16:48 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Uinuva Karma wrote:
Take your buddies and claim your own space, make it as strong as you want.

Get hot-dropped a week later and lose it all...
If that's how strong you want it to be, yes.
If not, then no.

"horsepuckey"


Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#104 - 2012-06-10 16:18:09 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Qolde wrote:
Welcome to Eve.

"EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world." --CCP Wrangler *

Nonconsensual Ship combat will not go away. Eve didn't even have sentry guns or CONCORD at the beginning. It is part of the core philosophy of the game........
............

.....When Band of Brothers believed that G Alliance had a mothership on the build, they didn't whine for them to be nerfed, they round up others who would fight with them, and sieged EC-P8R 23/7 for a week.

When Goonswarm first started. They weren't the most experienced players, but they had the drive. They took out veteran alliances battleship fleets with rifters. RIFTERS. Look at them today.

So before you post, think about what you're going to say, and if it will even be worth your typing. Please.

*the actual quote is here as pointed out by Yuda Mann



No intelligent person has said " let's remove all the danger from the game" or even just from high sec. What they've said that riles your feathers is that suicide ganking is overpowered, the battles are lopsided, and they need to be re-examined... that's all.

Yeah goon is the new bob... great.


Hulks can be tanked such that they are unprofitable to gank (even counting the GSF bounty, which is not a game mechanic)
Hulks can be flown in such a way that they are impossible to gank without pilot error on the Hulk's part

Suicide Ganks can be disrupted quite easily

The battles are only lopsided because one side doesn't bother putting any effort into the fight because they feel they're entitled to safety without effort.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Disregard That
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2012-06-10 16:21:22 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
Qolde wrote:
Welcome to Eve.

"EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world." --CCP Wrangler *

Nonconsensual Ship combat will not go away. Eve didn't even have sentry guns or CONCORD at the beginning. It is part of the core philosophy of the game........
............

.....When Band of Brothers believed that G Alliance had a mothership on the build, they didn't whine for them to be nerfed, they round up others who would fight with them, and sieged EC-P8R 23/7 for a week.

When Goonswarm first started. They weren't the most experienced players, but they had the drive. They took out veteran alliances battleship fleets with rifters. RIFTERS. Look at them today.

So before you post, think about what you're going to say, and if it will even be worth your typing. Please.

*the actual quote is here as pointed out by Yuda Mann



No intelligent person has said " let's remove all the danger from the game" or even just from high sec. What they've said that riles your feathers is that suicide ganking is overpowered, the battles are lopsided, and they need to be re-examined... that's all.

Yeah goon is the new bob... great.


Hulks can be tanked such that they are unprofitable to gank (even counting the GSF bounty, which is not a game mechanic)
Hulks can be flown in such a way that they are impossible to gank without pilot error on the Hulk's part

Suicide Ganks can be disrupted quite easily

The battles are only lopsided because one side doesn't bother putting any effort into the fight because they feel they're entitled to safety without effort.

Posting to confirm that mining while aligned is totally OP because gankers will never have a chance to target their prey.

It's far too easy for them to just press the warp button.

We can only hope that miners never catch on...
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#106 - 2012-06-10 16:21:55 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Uinuva Karma wrote:
Take your buddies and claim your own space, make it as strong as you want.

Get hot-dropped a week later and lose it all...
If that's how strong you want it to be, yes.
If not, then no.

"horsepuckey"




What is an alliance but an organized group of people? HiSec has people, it just needs to organize.

Go take some shitty sov for a while, use the money you've made from HS's lack of constant ship loss (20% of characters are in Null yet ~50% of ships are lost there) to build up a Cap/Supercap fleet. Learn to fight. Start taking more sov. Expand into mediocre space. Then even into good space.

The last Tech holding coalition was destroyed by a coalition that did not hold any (or at least any significant) tech. It could happen to this one.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#107 - 2012-06-10 16:37:24 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
What is an alliance but an organized group of people? HiSec has people, it just needs to organize.

Go take some shitty sov for a while, use the money you've made from HS's lack of constant ship loss (20% of characters are in Null yet ~50% of ships are lost there) to build up a Cap/Supercap fleet. Learn to fight. Start taking more sov. Expand into mediocre space. Then even into good space.

The last Tech holding coalition was destroyed by a coalition that did not hold any (or at least any significant) tech. It could happen to this one.

Thanks Ruby - I really needed to snort soda through my nose! GODDAM that's funny **** right there man! You should go into standup!

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Aramatheia
Tiffany and Co.
#108 - 2012-06-10 16:43:45 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
Aramatheia wrote:
sigh i typed a huge long post in reply to this but upon clicking post it erased my post and left me with nothing.. im not retyping it all just want to say read my last post, the one you quoted is one where im doing what i hate which is, raging at people raging at people.

im not against stuff blowing up nor am i against protecting my own assets and making them less appealing to the folks who do the blowing up

What I presented wasn't raging.

It was statistical analysis. And in so doing, I presented a counter-argument to a logical fallacy based on bad stats analysis.

I am sorry if my facts appeared like raging to you. I clearly wasn't. I hope after stepping away from the keyboard and taking some chill pills you can now see this.

LOL @ the thought of that quote being raging.


im refering to posts where people proclaim that things like "miners are a plague dieeeeeeeeeeeee!" that sort of thing, thats what i meant

i'm not taking a side on either bench, the "dieeeeeeeee miners" or the "save meeeeeeeee"

both of them can get stuffed lol, i'll do my thing, protect my assets to the best of my ability, and replace anything if i lose it. Thats what i have always hated, the extreme forum warrioring where 1 side just runs its mouth on and on and on thinking its some sort of righteous cause. Thats all i meant, just ignore my older posts
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#109 - 2012-06-10 16:47:16 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
What is an alliance but an organized group of people? HiSec has people, it just needs to organize.

Go take some shitty sov for a while, use the money you've made from HS's lack of constant ship loss (20% of characters are in Null yet ~50% of ships are lost there) to build up a Cap/Supercap fleet. Learn to fight. Start taking more sov. Expand into mediocre space. Then even into good space.

The last Tech holding coalition was destroyed by a coalition that did not hold any (or at least any significant) tech. It could happen to this one.

Thanks Ruby - I really needed to snort soda through my nose! GODDAM that's funny **** right there man! You should go into standup!



Thank you.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
David Cedarbridge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2012-06-10 23:34:55 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
What is an alliance but an organized group of people? HiSec has people, it just needs to organize.

Go take some shitty sov for a while, use the money you've made from HS's lack of constant ship loss (20% of characters are in Null yet ~50% of ships are lost there) to build up a Cap/Supercap fleet. Learn to fight. Start taking more sov. Expand into mediocre space. Then even into good space.

The last Tech holding coalition was destroyed by a coalition that did not hold any (or at least any significant) tech. It could happen to this one.

Thanks Ruby - I really needed to snort soda through my nose! GODDAM that's funny **** right there man! You should go into standup!


The irony of the case is, this post is literally the reason you will never hold sov space. You are so terrified of potential failure and are so sure already that you can't do it that you never will. I hate to break it to you, but the CFC never got the sov they have now by being the victims and it wasn't handed down to us by CCP on high. We went in rifters and we took what is ours. We lost it several times and several times we carved out something new. All without the aid of all of this glorious tech wealth we are now enjoying. You're a big kid though, if you think EVE is too hard for you, then you can stay in the shallow end of the pool. I hear its safer over there.
Headerman1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#111 - 2012-06-10 23:58:20 UTC
One of the great things i like about Eve is the ability to troll people. It's cheap laughs are often very good :)
Another awesome thing about eve is if you don't like one part of it, or it gets boring, or something happens, just go and do something else!

- Mission running
- high sec mining
- incursions
- manufacturing
- BPs
- Sov warfare
- Roams
- NPC space fights
- wormhole ops
- WH living
- Trading

So many things to do i think the only people who leave are people who get bored too easily.
Headerman1
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#112 - 2012-06-11 00:00:17 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
What is an alliance but an organized group of people? HiSec has people, it just needs to organize.

Go take some shitty sov for a while, use the money you've made from HS's lack of constant ship loss (20% of characters are in Null yet ~50% of ships are lost there) to build up a Cap/Supercap fleet. Learn to fight. Start taking more sov. Expand into mediocre space. Then even into good space.

The last Tech holding coalition was destroyed by a coalition that did not hold any (or at least any significant) tech. It could happen to this one.

Thanks Ruby - I really needed to snort soda through my nose! GODDAM that's funny **** right there man! You should go into standup!



Thank you.


Drone space is pretty damn empty right now, it would be as easy as anything to get a semi decent corp together, head out there and join a small alliance, get your own system with 16 Hordes and earn a buttload of isk, build better ships and do those things
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#113 - 2012-06-11 00:17:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Headerman1 wrote:


Drone space is pretty damn empty right now, it would be as easy as anything to get a semi decent corp together, head out there and join a small alliance, get your own system with 16 Hordes and earn a buttload of isk, build better ships and do those things


Here's the catch:

1) You are teaching how to sing to a deaf audience.

2) Even if they could hear you, they would not care.


See I see this same mantra repeated again and again: "you are meant to get out of hi sec, go null with a lot of people (enough to get some sov), learn to PvP, build whatever structures, kills stuff, defend your turf, eventually expand and take some tech moons".

Problem is: a majority of the playerbase can't care the less of the above. They just don't see anything enticing or epic in it.
Another part will go everywhere but sov null sec because of the politics, CTAs etc.

Another portion (me included) can't do it even if they wanted. 30 mins a day, possibly every 2-3 days is not going to create an empire nor to be of any use out there. It's why I WAS in null and now I am not any more. I'd just be a leech.
Still, it's full subs that are paid, it's not like these peeps are squatters.

Hi sec and low sec are the only places where I could be. No time for anything else and many others are like me.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#114 - 2012-06-11 00:29:08 UTC
David Cedarbridge wrote:
The irony of the case is, this post is literally the reason you will never hold sov space. You are so terrified of potential failure and are so sure already that you can't do it that you never will. I hate to break it to you, but the CFC never got the sov they have now by being the victims and it wasn't handed down to us by CCP on high. We went in rifters and we took what is ours. We lost it several times and several times we carved out something new. All without the aid of all of this glorious tech wealth we are now enjoying. You're a big kid though, if you think EVE is too hard for you, then you can stay in the shallow end of the pool. I hear its safer over there.

Yeah - I'll just round up 2500 friends and go roflstomp... oh wait... Supercaps/Caps... yeah, let me get started on that, see you in a couple years...Roll

No kid... This is where I "got into the deep end", so I don't need a video game to do it.

And since I haven't lived in hi-sec since 2008... I just find it amusing at how serious everyone takes their game. ESPECIALLY goons...

Lol

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#115 - 2012-06-11 00:35:11 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Yeah - I'll just round up 2500 friends and go roflstomp... oh wait... Supercaps/Caps... yeah, let me get started on that, see you in a couple years.
Fun fact: you don't need a couple of years to get those unless you literally start out with zero ISK. If you do, then it'll perhaps take a few months longer…

What he described is entirely accurate and the only thing that is stopping you is you.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#116 - 2012-06-11 00:41:09 UTC
Tippia wrote:
What he described is entirely accurate and the only thing that is stopping you is you.

What is stopping me is lack of interest.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#117 - 2012-06-11 00:44:18 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
What is stopping me is lack of interest.
In other words: you.

Also, good: then you can stop with the silly excuses.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#118 - 2012-06-11 00:45:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
What is stopping me is lack of interest.
In other words: you.

Also, good: then you can stop with the silly excuses.

LolLolLolLolLol

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-06-11 00:56:17 UTC
Headerman1 wrote:
One of the great things i like about Eve is the ability to troll people. It's cheap laughs are often very good :)
Another awesome thing about eve is if you don't like one part of it, or it gets boring, or something happens, just go and do something else!

- Mission running
- high sec mining
- incursions
- manufacturing
- BPs
- Sov warfare
- Roams
- NPC space fights
- wormhole ops
- WH living
- Trading

So many things to do i think the only people who leave are people who get bored too easily.

You forgot Exploration.

I find it very relaxing and remunerative.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#120 - 2012-06-11 00:58:39 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What he described is entirely accurate and the only thing that is stopping you is you.

What is stopping me is lack of interest.


You're right, whining and crying on the forums about how Goons are ruining your game is much more interesting than taking the fight to your tormentors.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.