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I'd just like to say, seeing a full post completely in caps lock, makes me ignore it entirely. If you want to be taken seriously, I would stop with the failed experiment.

It's called "reductio ad absurdum". And yes, I know it's hard to come up with a coherent answer when you don't know how to formulate a valid argument.

Good luck getting your ultra slow heavies to actually apply that DPS. Also, false:
760 DPS without heat, 874 with, as opposed to 733 on an Ishtar using Ogre II's fitted with 3 DDA's. Add on another 158.4 DPS with a flight of Hammerhead II's for a grand total of 918 DPS/1032 overheated. You could also replace the rigs with a Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II (which only runs for 12 mil in Jita currently) for a bit more DPS on top of that, plus you have the option of a Deadeye implant for even more DPS.

You mean like the Winmatar ships with 5% bonuses to damage and RoF? Also keep in mind there is no overheating of drones, there are no drone damage implants, and that drones can and do go pop, especially heavies.

Ok, now try filling the rest of the slots with the slim amount of CPU you have left after fitting guns on an Ishtar (unpractical shitfits don't count). Since you are using blasters and heavy drones a prop mod is required, preferably MWD. (Before you ask, 2xEANM II, 1xDCU II, 1xExperimental 10MN MWD I, 1xFleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I, 1xFaint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I, 1xMedium Unstable Power Fluctuator I on the Deimos fit, if it runs out of PG replace the rigs with Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator II and Medium Trimark Armor Pump I.)

Perhaps not, however it is close and no worse than the same Deimos you guys want to fly:

992 dps + overheat and implants. It has drawbacks and limited target selection but the same can be said about your Deimos. Give it up - Maybe the Ishtar doesn't beat ALL other HACs but it's pretty close... This setup goes well as a support ship doing damage from range and going in for the kill or getting under the guns on certain battleships

[Ishtar, 1k dps Ishtar]
Internal Force Field Array I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Void M
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


Ogre II x5

It's a problem with the Ishtar because it can deal out more dps than most HACs and it can do it while at range... Ishtars are pretty evasive. And I don't give up, I just think it's pretty pedantric of you to keep discussion going on such a childish level. Good luck with your further protests on the drone module

Pinky

Your deimos has to go in close as well and doesn't seem too solid either. At least the Ishtar can be a fleet support from range where the deimos will be useless. Versatility 4tw...

Try to get out of your tunnel vision. I never claimed the Ishtar was better at everything, only that it could out dps any/most of the other ships in its class. Ishtar was great solo before the nano nerf, but it has always been a super support ship for small fleets and now it became almost 50% better in a shield fit. As with any ship it's important to have a proper target selection and since deimos and ishtar has different roles they will never be directly compareable, however the Ishtar has more uses than the Deimos...

The debate from me was only to show that with these new damage modules certain ships have received a massive boost even with only 19% bonus on the module... You guys seem to lose the big picture trying to pull the debate into details with little relevans just to prove me wrong. You already pointed out I didn't word myself with surgeon precission and described how heavy drones isn't the best weapon system in EVE, but you still haven't commented on the things that really matter

• Ishtar DPS boosted almost 55% DPS w/ 3 mods in a shield/kite configuration (475 -> 733 DPS with drones only)
• Ishtar (and Deimos) can out dps the other HACs with a huge margin
• But the Ishtar can do it from 60km when working with a tackler
• Drones might not be perfect but people cannot use ecm to negate Ishtar DPS
• Ishtar can switch to other drones for other types of targets (With a loss of DPS)

Pinky

I didn't claim you did either, but nice strawman.

A Zealot, for example, gets a 65% DPS boost with 3 Heat Sink II's (387 -> 639), and?
Gallente racial strength is raw DPS, as I stated before.
Ogre II's have a MWD speed of 1.05 km/s, so it will take about a minute for them to traverse that 60km distance, plenty of time for at least a couple to get popped. That can be done via guns, other drones, or smartbombs which counter drones completely. That can be better than ECM in a way, since ECM doesn't destroy your guns and permanently reduce your DPS.
Hammerhead II's with 3 DDAs on an Ishtar do 365 DPS; going back to the Zealot, that's less DPS than it can do with no Heat Sinks fitted, so that's a pretty hefty loss of DPS. Guns can switch ammo to work from different ranges and/or deal different damage types at a cost in DPS as well, remember.

The ishtar is never flown in pvp?

Are you bloody insane? The ishtar is one of the absolute best HAC's for solo pvp..

Sorry i don't think its OP now with the new mods but its not a little used ship..

Yes, but that doesn't make it flown often. Most pvp isn't solo, and the Ishtar is one of the least used, despite being "best for solo". Going off numbers, it is one of the lesser used in pvp.