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New dev blog: Next Unified Inventory Update

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Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#341 - 2012-06-07 18:00:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Salpun
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
I seriously hope you are not saying there is a SHIFT-RIGHT CLICK menu vs a RIGHT CLICK menu. Not to mention this inane SHIFT-CLICK nonsense?

Salpun wrote:
Bug report/ missing features. 138040
With out a shift click fuction showing in the right click menu shift click fuctionality is not apperant to open wrecks or cargos, there is no way to open wrecks in a secondary window from the overview.
Wrecks are not show ing up in the index any more if they are in range so you have to open then via a right click menu and then open them via the shift click right click menu.
Opening a second wreck using the shift click fuctionality or right click drop down fuctionality closes the prevousely open window which has a wreck in it. It does not open that wreck in the same window as the prevous wreck.

Shift double click works but is not documented well. Every thing put out by the new devblogs is shift single click


No while all the fuctionality on the new Inventory window is shift single click. All like fuctionality is shift double click when useing the overview.

There is not yet a shift double click line in the overview right click drop down menu or a loot all icon in the right click drop down menu so people do not have to move there mouse a million miles while looting or moving the main inventory menu from its normal left side location over the chat channels.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
Par'Gellen
#342 - 2012-06-07 18:00:27 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
functionality is not the same with this new ui as with the old.

4 corp hangers at a pos.

old system, right clcik 4 times all 28 hangers in 4 stacked windows. change to corp division 1, click each corp hanger wondow and you can see whats in all 4 hangers corp division 1 with 4 click, rinse repeat with all 4 corp hangers, division after division

new system shift click 28 times. 28 windows, now try to search through 4 corp hanger division 1's... go on, try.
now try division 2, 3 4, 5, 6 and 7...

oh it gets better, warp away( all 28 windows become your cargo window and dont auto close), come back.... do it again and again and again... i bet you jsut give up as its a nightmare

why have you removed right click menus that actually have a function ccp?
I dare anyone at CCP to answer this.

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#343 - 2012-06-07 18:04:27 UTC
Salpun wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
I seriously hope you are not saying there is a SHIFT-RIGHT CLICK menu vs a RIGHT CLICK menu. Not to mention this inane SHIFT-CLICK nonsense?

Salpun wrote:
Bug report/ missing features. 138040
With out a shift click fuction showing in the right click menu shift click fuctionality is not apperant to open wrecks or cargos, there is no way to open wrecks in a secondary window from the overview.
Wrecks are not show ing up in the index any more if they are in range so you have to open then via a right click menu and then open them via the shift click right click menu.
Opening a second wreck using the shift click fuctionality or right click drop down fuctionality closes the prevousely open window which has a wreck in it. It does not open that wreck in the same window as the prevous wreck.

Shift double click works but is not documented well. Every thing put out by the new devblogs is shift single click


No while all the fuctionality on the new Inventory window is shift single click. All like fuctionality is shift double click when useing the overview. There is not a shift double click line in the overview right click menu or a loot all icon in the right click drop down menu so people do not have to move there mouse a million miles while looting.


Pretty much this. It's the exact same functionality as before, except you hold down shift if you want it in a separate window as oppose to using the tree view.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#344 - 2012-06-07 18:06:18 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
functionality is not the same with this new ui as with the old.

4 corp hangers at a pos.

old system, right clcik 4 times all 28 hangers in 4 stacked windows. change to corp division 1, click each corp hanger wondow and you can see whats in all 4 hangers corp division 1 with 4 click, rinse repeat with all 4 corp hangers, division after division

new system shift click 28 times. 28 windows, now try to search through 4 corp hanger division 1's... go on, try.
now try division 2, 3 4, 5, 6 and 7...

oh it gets better, warp away( all 28 windows become your cargo window and dont auto close), come back.... do it again and again and again... i bet you jsut give up as its a nightmare

why have you removed right click menus that actually have a function ccp?


I might be reading this wrong, but I don't see why you aren't using the tree view for this - it gives you the same functionality as before, but in one window (or 4 if you prefer one for each hangar) and you just 1 click to each division.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#345 - 2012-06-07 18:07:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Haifisch Zahne
REMOVED TO PROTEST CCP's Community Censorship Protocol ("CCCP").
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#346 - 2012-06-07 18:07:37 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
I seriously hope you are not saying there is a SHIFT-RIGHT CLICK menu vs a RIGHT CLICK menu. Not to mention this inane SHIFT-CLICK nonsense?

Salpun wrote:
Bug report/ missing features. 138040
With out a shift click fuction showing in the right click menu shift click fuctionality is not apperant to open wrecks or cargos, there is no way to open wrecks in a secondary window from the overview.
Wrecks are not show ing up in the index any more if they are in range so you have to open then via a right click menu and then open them via the shift click right click menu.
Opening a second wreck using the shift click fuctionality or right click drop down fuctionality closes the prevousely open window which has a wreck in it. It does not open that wreck in the same window as the prevous wreck.

Shift double click works but is not documented well. Every thing put out by the new devblogs is shift single click


No while all the fuctionality on the new Inventory window is shift single click. All like fuctionality is shift double click when useing the overview. There is not a shift double click line in the overview right click menu or a loot all icon in the right click drop down menu so people do not have to move there mouse a million miles while looting.


Pretty much this. It's the exact same functionality as before, except you hold down shift if you want it in a separate window as oppose to using the tree view.


Until you get a line in the drop down saying this 50% of the eve population will not know about it. The want a right click option to open a secondary window.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
Par'Gellen
#347 - 2012-06-07 18:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Par'Gellen
CCP Goliath wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
functionality is not the same with this new ui as with the old.

4 corp hangers at a pos.

old system, right clcik 4 times all 28 hangers in 4 stacked windows. change to corp division 1, click each corp hanger wondow and you can see whats in all 4 hangers corp division 1 with 4 click, rinse repeat with all 4 corp hangers, division after division

new system shift click 28 times. 28 windows, now try to search through 4 corp hanger division 1's... go on, try.
now try division 2, 3 4, 5, 6 and 7...

oh it gets better, warp away( all 28 windows become your cargo window and dont auto close), come back.... do it again and again and again... i bet you jsut give up as its a nightmare

why have you removed right click menus that actually have a function ccp?


I might be reading this wrong, but I don't see why you aren't using the tree view for this - it gives you the same functionality as before, but in one window (or 4 if you prefer one for each hangar) and you just 1 click to each division.

Have you ever even used a corp hangar? I can't even take you seriously.

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#348 - 2012-06-07 18:08:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Salpun
CCP Goliath wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
functionality is not the same with this new ui as with the old.

4 corp hangers at a pos.

old system, right clcik 4 times all 28 hangers in 4 stacked windows. change to corp division 1, click each corp hanger wondow and you can see whats in all 4 hangers corp division 1 with 4 click, rinse repeat with all 4 corp hangers, division after division

new system shift click 28 times. 28 windows, now try to search through 4 corp hanger division 1's... go on, try.
now try division 2, 3 4, 5, 6 and 7...

oh it gets better, warp away( all 28 windows become your cargo window and dont auto close), come back.... do it again and again and again... i bet you jsut give up as its a nightmare

why have you removed right click menus that actually have a function ccp?


I might be reading this wrong, but I don't see why you aren't using the tree view for this - it gives you the same functionality as before, but in one window (or 4 if you prefer one for each hangar) and you just 1 click to each division.

You just have to scroll alot. What?
and you cannot open two wrecks using shift right click on the tree view right now.

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#349 - 2012-06-07 18:08:48 UTC
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
YOU ARE IN*ANE. SHIFT-RIGHT CLICK?! Get serious.



CCP Goliath wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
I seriously hope you are not saying there is a SHIFT-RIGHT CLICK menu vs a RIGHT CLICK menu. Not to mention this inane SHIFT-CLICK nonsense?

Salpun wrote:
Bug report/ missing features. 138040
With out a shift click fuction showing in the right click menu shift click fuctionality is not apperant to open wrecks or cargos, there is no way to open wrecks in a secondary window from the overview.
Wrecks are not show ing up in the index any more if they are in range so you have to open then via a right click menu and then open them via the shift click right click menu.
Opening a second wreck using the shift click fuctionality or right click drop down fuctionality closes the prevousely open window which has a wreck in it. It does not open that wreck in the same window as the prevous wreck.

Shift double click works but is not documented well. Every thing put out by the new devblogs is shift single click


No while all the fuctionality on the new Inventory window is shift single click. All like fuctionality is shift double click when useing the overview. There is not a shift double click line in the overview right click menu or a loot all icon in the right click drop down menu so people do not have to move there mouse a million miles while looting.


Pretty much this. It's the exact same functionality as before, except you hold down shift if you want it in a separate window as oppose to using the tree view.



When did I ever say Shift right click? To open a container via overview you double click it under the old system. Now that opens it in the tree view. If you want it open in a separate window, shift double click it.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#350 - 2012-06-07 18:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Haifisch Zahne
REMOVED TO PROTEST CCP's Community Censorship Protocol ("CCCP").
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#351 - 2012-06-07 18:10:31 UTC
Par'Gellen wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
functionality is not the same with this new ui as with the old.

4 corp hangers at a pos.

old system, right clcik 4 times all 28 hangers in 4 stacked windows. change to corp division 1, click each corp hanger wondow and you can see whats in all 4 hangers corp division 1 with 4 click, rinse repeat with all 4 corp hangers, division after division

new system shift click 28 times. 28 windows, now try to search through 4 corp hanger division 1's... go on, try.
now try division 2, 3 4, 5, 6 and 7...

oh it gets better, warp away( all 28 windows become your cargo window and dont auto close), come back.... do it again and again and again... i bet you jsut give up as its a nightmare

why have you removed right click menus that actually have a function ccp?


I might be reading this wrong, but I don't see why you aren't using the tree view for this - it gives you the same functionality as before, but in one window (or 4 if you prefer one for each hangar) and you just 1 click to each division.

Have you ever even used a corp hangar?


Yes in my player activity I have had repeated exposure to corp hangars. I still do, and have not had a large degree of trouble adjusting to the new inventory, this is why I'm asking what specific troubles you are having so that I can help you.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Par'Gellen
#352 - 2012-06-07 18:11:10 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
To open a container via overview you double click it under the old system. Now that opens it in the tree view. If you want it open in a separate window, shift double click it.
Swap that around and some of us would be happy. Why does this abominiation of a UI try to take control of everything I do unless I hold up the holy cross (shift key)?

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#353 - 2012-06-07 18:11:40 UTC
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
The tree view is horrible when looting. I have to drag the MAIN UI off a convenient bar of other windows usually left near top of screen EVERYTIME I loot. And, it remembers nothing. And, I have to resize it, position it, and make it transparent, or I can't move and loot at the same time.

SHIFT-RIGHT CLICK!!! Tell me one other REAL piece of software that does this kind of nonsense.



CCP Goliath wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
functionality is not the same with this new ui as with the old.

4 corp hangers at a pos.

old system, right clcik 4 times all 28 hangers in 4 stacked windows. change to corp division 1, click each corp hanger wondow and you can see whats in all 4 hangers corp division 1 with 4 click, rinse repeat with all 4 corp hangers, division after division

new system shift click 28 times. 28 windows, now try to search through 4 corp hanger division 1's... go on, try.
now try division 2, 3 4, 5, 6 and 7...

oh it gets better, warp away( all 28 windows become your cargo window and dont auto close), come back.... do it again and again and again... i bet you jsut give up as its a nightmare

why have you removed right click menus that actually have a function ccp?


I might be reading this wrong, but I don't see why you aren't using the tree view for this - it gives you the same functionality as before, but in one window (or 4 if you prefer one for each hangar) and you just 1 click to each division.



None that I know of, including EVE Online.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Haifisch Zahne
Hraka Manufacture GmbH
#354 - 2012-06-07 18:12:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Haifisch Zahne
REMOVED TO PROTEST CCP's Community Censorship Protocol ("CCCP").
Par'Gellen
#355 - 2012-06-07 18:13:27 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Yes in my player activity I have had repeated exposure to corp hangars. I still do, and have not had a large degree of trouble adjusting to the new inventory, this is why I'm asking what specific troubles you are having so that I can help you.

Fair enough. My specific troubles are that the corp hangar does not open in a tabbed hangar view exactly like the old one with a single click of a single button. I should not have to spin my chair and hold keys down to get what I had before with a simple single click.

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#356 - 2012-06-07 18:13:39 UTC
Par'Gellen wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
To open a container via overview you double click it under the old system. Now that opens it in the tree view. If you want it open in a separate window, shift double click it.
Swap that around and some of us would be happy. Why does this abominiation of a UI try to take control of everything I do unless I hold up the holy cross (shift key)?


The default behaviour is now to use the tree view. For people that are not a fan of this, shift click is implemented to enable them to use separate windows. If you like I will ask the team if mapping these as shortcuts that individual users can customise is an option? (Note, even if this is possible, it will not change the default behaviour)

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Rock Kicker
Full Bore Inc
#357 - 2012-06-07 18:15:10 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
I seriously hope you are not saying there is a SHIFT-RIGHT CLICK menu vs a RIGHT CLICK menu. Not to mention this inane SHIFT-CLICK nonsense?

Salpun wrote:
Bug report/ missing features. 138040
With out a shift click fuction showing in the right click menu shift click fuctionality is not apperant to open wrecks or cargos, there is no way to open wrecks in a secondary window from the overview.
Wrecks are not show ing up in the index any more if they are in range so you have to open then via a right click menu and then open them via the shift click right click menu.
Opening a second wreck using the shift click fuctionality or right click drop down fuctionality closes the prevousely open window which has a wreck in it. It does not open that wreck in the same window as the prevous wreck.

Shift double click works but is not documented well. Every thing put out by the new devblogs is shift single click


No while all the fuctionality on the new Inventory window is shift single click. All like fuctionality is shift double click when useing the overview. There is not a shift double click line in the overview right click menu or a loot all icon in the right click drop down menu so people do not have to move there mouse a million miles while looting.


Pretty much this. It's the exact same functionality as before, except you hold down shift if you want it in a separate window as oppose to using the tree view.


Except Shift-clicking on a pos array structure, either visually or from the overview does nothing. Shift-double-click causes you to approach the array only. Shift-click (and shift-dbl-click) from the tree on an array either expands or collapses the divisions.

Only way I have found to open multiple inventory windows is to shift-double-click cans I carry in my cargobay. So I get an inventory window for my ship caargo, and then one for each can. Then I have to keep the damn tree active (or expand it out each time) on each one so i can change divisions as I move minz, etc around between arrays to run jobs. I generally have a minimum of 4 windows open at one time when sitting at my tower doing work.

This UI has made working at a pos an absolute PITA.

The new UniFUBAR Inventory.  Where Clickfest rules and Usability fails.
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#358 - 2012-06-07 18:15:11 UTC
Par'Gellen wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Yes in my player activity I have had repeated exposure to corp hangars. I still do, and have not had a large degree of trouble adjusting to the new inventory, this is why I'm asking what specific troubles you are having so that I can help you.

Fair enough. My specific troubles are that the corp hangar does not open in a tabbed hangar view exactly like the old one with a single click of a single button. I should not have to spin my chair and hold keys down to get what I had before with a simple single click.


Well, I would argue that it does, it's just that the tabs are now to the left of the window rather than at the top of the window. Would I be fair in saying that? Yes, it's not exactly the same, but surely we can compromise here in that the functionality has been retained.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
Par'Gellen
#359 - 2012-06-07 18:15:57 UTC
CCP Goliath wrote:
Par'Gellen wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
To open a container via overview you double click it under the old system. Now that opens it in the tree view. If you want it open in a separate window, shift double click it.
Swap that around and some of us would be happy. Why does this abominiation of a UI try to take control of everything I do unless I hold up the holy cross (shift key)?


The default behaviour is now to use the tree view. For people that are not a fan of this, shift click is implemented to enable them to use separate windows. If you like I will ask the team if mapping these as shortcuts that individual users can customise is an option? (Note, even if this is possible, it will not change the default behaviour)

And you just pointed out the biggest problem with the whole mess. Thank you.

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...
CCP Goliath
C C P
C C P Alliance
#360 - 2012-06-07 18:16:39 UTC
Rock Kicker wrote:
CCP Goliath wrote:
Salpun wrote:
Haifisch Zahne wrote:
I seriously hope you are not saying there is a SHIFT-RIGHT CLICK menu vs a RIGHT CLICK menu. Not to mention this inane SHIFT-CLICK nonsense?

Salpun wrote:
Bug report/ missing features. 138040
With out a shift click fuction showing in the right click menu shift click fuctionality is not apperant to open wrecks or cargos, there is no way to open wrecks in a secondary window from the overview.
Wrecks are not show ing up in the index any more if they are in range so you have to open then via a right click menu and then open them via the shift click right click menu.
Opening a second wreck using the shift click fuctionality or right click drop down fuctionality closes the prevousely open window which has a wreck in it. It does not open that wreck in the same window as the prevous wreck.

Shift double click works but is not documented well. Every thing put out by the new devblogs is shift single click


No while all the fuctionality on the new Inventory window is shift single click. All like fuctionality is shift double click when useing the overview. There is not a shift double click line in the overview right click menu or a loot all icon in the right click drop down menu so people do not have to move there mouse a million miles while looting.


Pretty much this. It's the exact same functionality as before, except you hold down shift if you want it in a separate window as oppose to using the tree view.


Except Shift-clicking on a pos array structure, either visually or from the overview does nothing. Shift-double-click causes you to approach the array only. Shift-click (and shift-dbl-click) from the tree on an array either expands or collapses the divisions.

Only way I have found to open multiple inventory windows is to shift-double-click cans I carry in my cargobay. So I get an inventory window for my ship caargo, and then one for each can. Then I have to keep the damn tree active (or expand it out each time) on each one so i can change divisions as I move minz, etc around between arrays to run jobs. I generally have a minimum of 4 windows open at one time when sitting at my tower doing work.

This UI has made working at a pos an absolute PITA.



I was referring to wrecks and cargo containers in my earlier post. I am not aware of the intended functionality of this as fits POSes, but will check out the old behaviour on a reference server tomorrow along with current behaviour as you describe.

CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath