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True i wasn't thinking about backend. It's always a complication. Still, as a customer i'm not sure if I should care, this shouldn't have happened in first place.

Yep. This. Good devs and managers need to learn to admit their mistakes and bury their egos. Team/company success should be the driving force always, and customer satisfaction ultimately determines that.

I feel that mistakes have already been admitted, and I don't feel that anyone is really showing ego about this. We've been as frank and open in communication channels as possible, and have, are and will continue to react to the feedback we are receiving. As I stated earlier in the thread, Explorer and I will be collaborating on a devblog explaining out development process as all current external literature on it is outdated and there seems to be a great deal of interest in it (along with some statements of fact about it that are incorrect).

thnx for not fixing any of this ^^

Just to make it clear, I never brought up any ego issues, it was an unfortunate expression by the next poster. You can't seriously make statements like this, and I don't understand what's the point of answering them.
I would like to emphasize a point - The major problem IS NOT (probably ) in the development process. The main problem is with your customer awareness. Customer awareness produces User Requirements, which in turn produce System, Sub-System and other requirements. I.e. - Customer awareness drives (or should drive) the development process.
You drop a feature on TQ, and dig in for feedback, while producing workarounds and fixes.
The feedback that this is simply a bad feature - is not really accepted, is it?
In my business, dropping a new feature on my clients, without extensive research of the implications might result in a total disaster, and my competitors are to gain from this. In your business - you are still lucky, since you have no competitors up to standard, and it's a computer game after all. This will work up to a certain point, and i ask you - please don't get there, since i do like this game. And I will say again - i present these points in a rational way, not driven by emotions unlike most of the "**** this, i cancel my subscriptions" shouters on which i frown upon.

then use Singularity it is after all a test server, this being fixed should be at the top of the list with zero regard for how it affects deployment of other patches or features, it's that simple

if i'm going to be forced to use this piece of crap then it should at least be working

*edit*

while we're at it, i do appreciate you taking the time to respond to people honestly i do, but if it's possible take a look at my time logged in the last 3 months, see how much of a nose dive it takes from this being deployed? i'll put money on me not being the only one that's happened to.

this "feature" has taken a game that i honestly enjoyed and turned it into a chore overnight, it's why my alt accounts are frozen and won't be active till i can either play without wanting to walk away or it's made optional, and honestly optional would be the best result, everybody would be happy except the people who are too attached to this because it's their baby.

with one patch you've effectively made the game unplayable for me for at least a month and i'm not asking for my money back, i'm asking for my GAME back. that should tell you something

I know the Inventory still needs work, but I do want to acknowledge that some issues have been addressed. When I dock up in a station, windows are remembered now. The one window where I -do- have a tree view is not remembered as having the tree view accessible, but at least the windows are there. AND when I change ships, the currently-open ship cargo window changes to the new active ship. So thank you for addressing those issues so far, and I hear you've also been addressing other issues as well.

Please continue onwards to fix dragging items to containers in the tree: they are still being locked, regardless of container settings. The situation is made worse because of how slowly items unlock.

Also, please make wrecks and cans appear in their own windows, instead of replacing an existing open window. This may need to be an ESC menu option, since some people may like this behaviour.

I did not remember to check to see whether nodes from the tree can be dragged to the Neocom bar to open in their own new windows. If they can, thanks! If not, please add that feature so we can restore some functionality that was lost due to the Inventory change.

Please make price estimates optional on a per-character basis.

When transferring items from one container to another, by default, please use a "bulk update" mode. That is, if there is space for all of the items being transferred, move all of the items at once and then update any per-item settings, such as locked status, estimated price, volume, etc. If there is not enough space for everything, then continue to use the individual updates as happens now. This may improve performance for both client and server.

I also did not think to check whether items in containers are still auto-sorted when the view changes. If so, please stop doing this or at least make it optional. Something as simple as right-clicking the container and enabling or disabling auto-sort on a per-container basis would work. This would also allow us to create intentional blank spaces for convenience within containers as well, as some have requested. If this has already been done, thank you!

Performance is still an issue, so please continue to improve that. Try to improve performance before you remove any debugging code that is still present, that way when you do finally remove debugging code, it will be yet another performance boost.


This has been a very rough few weeks. Please, make use of the BETA feature as used by the Neocom in the future, even if it's to ask us to beta test features for other projects you are working on, like WoD or DUST. Make it optional without pulling resources from EVE FiS teams, and we'll be more than happy to test the crap out of things for you. Just be honest with us.

Did the ore mining barges get V3'd too? It looks a bit better today, or am I just hallucinating?

Yeah its fair enough really.

For the record I pretty much loathe the new Inventory System in its current incarnation. Its extremely buggy still (double click on a container in the corp hanger and open your current ship cargo bay lol) - it appears massively unoptimized (move a stack of 50 fitted ships from personal to corp hanger and go away and make a cup of tea while the window becomes unresponsive for 3 minutes) and it commits the cardinal sin of removing functionality that we'd become used to (drone/fuel/ship maint on right click) and the discrete ship button.

I really dislike its current state and it shouldn't have shipped like this while completely ignoring most user test feedback.

But as you say, I think CCP gets it and have been pretty clear and honest in putting your hands up and saying you messed up.

No point us players continuing to froth and plot lynchings when apologies have been had and commitment made to put it right.

Still, please don't do this kind of thing in the future. User test feedback is very important and you guys do need to understand that virtually nothing annoys players so much as having their test-server critique ignored to push a pretty broken feature onto the live server.

Anyways, that said the majority of Inferno is very nice!

Get this unified inventory nonsense resolved and it'll be a good release.

Waiting eagerly for the next patch and hopefully then i'll be possible to open containers in the corp hangers again.

Devs, if I could make a request...
When moving an item(s) from one [container]* to another, if you hover your mouse over the receiving [container] long enough it switches your view to that [container]. It's not very long that you have to hover there, maybe a second or two.
I would like this to be optional. I don't use/like it at all, so I'd be fine if it went away entirely but there's probably some folks who like it.

*: by [container] I mean any place that holds items, not just cargo containers. Cargo holds, corp hanger divisions, cargo containers inside cargo holds, etc.