EVE General Discussion

You can kind of make the argument that people who grief for no reason beyond lulz and tears are sociopaths, but meh.

It's more funny than bothersome, to me. The funniest one yet is the dude who thinks anyone who has ever PVPed in the game even once is going to go to hell on top of being a sociopath/rapist/child molester/terrorist/etc. IRL.

Yes, this person exists. And yes, I've been on the receiving end of one of their rants.

It's pretty ******* hilarious.

And you are fullly entitled to your opinion of those characters.

However if you take the extra step of accusing the actors that portrayed them, or the writer that created and scripted the characters, of obviously having those same qualities (because how else could they act or think like that) you have stepped beyond the realm of common sense.

Fictional settings are just that, as are fictional characters.

Well balanced people are able to keep that distinction firmly in mind.

But you present a false dichotomy. Not many people are just doing PvE, if you count industry as PvP (which some would, if you have competitors). For example I mine sometimes to get mins for the things I build through invention. I mine ice sometimes too to exchange it for fuel blocks (equivalent value) to run the POS I use to manufacture. Am I doing PvE or PvP? To most people PvP is about getting into a ship and firing your guns. The majority of people aren't doing that though. In this context PvP is a minority activity in Eve.

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Literal definitions of PVP aside and speaking strictly of combat situation... unless you are one of the individuals that never undocks everyone in EVE is engaged in either seeking out or avoiding PVP. It is the most common activity in the game, and always has been. It is a constant competition that includes people actively seeking combat as well as those actively seeking to evade (or at least survive) it.

Everything in EVE centers around this simple fact.

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MMO's, card games, and real life sports DO have one thing in common. They all have their own unique rules sets... rule sets that have little if anything to do with the rules we follow in our daily real life.

Suicide gankers are not breaking any of the rules of EVE, in fact the rules have been very carefully written and tweaked over the years to specifically allow it to happen.

While some would (understandably) think that I can walk on water, in fact I cannot. However I do not let the acquisition or loss of imaginary assets upset me in the slightest. My usual reaction to a loss is a simple "Well done"... exactly as it would be if I found myself in check mate, lost a hand at poker, or if I failed to outscore an opponent in a fencing match (it's been awhile).

I will say again, if you feel more than a momentary reaction of "Doh!" when you lose (or lose something) in a game or sport... if you feel uncontrollable rage or misery when this happens, you need to take a large step back from the activity.[/quote]


Of course we have rules, but they and the way they are used are far from the norm. I'm sure they, like myself, at first wonder they being killed just floating around some rocks versus that guy over there in his shiny battleship, or those guys out there looking for a fight, especially since this is high sec and they are guaranteed to lose their ship.

Like I said, I'm positive the majority of use feel something when losing a ship or pod even if just for a brief moment, hard to imagine someone smiling or completely blank during. Of course there are always exception, I laughed when my full meta 1 caracal was jumped at a gate by 10 people. Though getting podded wasn't quite as funny. I agree though if it upsets you for a duration or you completely lose it you should step away. In general that response comes from repeat offenses at in-opportune times for that specific player. Hunting down these players only adds to the problem as the compounds the frequency, so yes you are liking to get a emotion outburst.

All in all shame on those that hunt these people down just for the response, and shame on those that do not step away before such a response can be

Your fallacy falls apart when you realize that he was there in real life. Drinking real Jager.

On camera. Un-delayed, natch.

And you paid for it.

At the end of the day his plane ride home was on you, too.

This is my argument: If he's in the same universe as me and I encounter him and decide I want to interact in whichever way, be that mining the rocks he wanted to, undercutting him on the market or blowing his ship up the sandbox gives me that option. If he want's to be left alone he has to assert that right by either finding a place where I don't go or using some method to deter me, it's not an assumed right for him to say 'leave me alone', he should have some way to back that up and if he can't, the sandbox says 'sorry, you lose'

I don't gank myself, but I agree, using disposable alts is an exploit and players should deal with the consequences, but those wishing simply to be left alone, it's not a right that's given to them, it's something they earn, find a quiet system or get some teeth and tell the gankers where to go.

You really think you can troll a N-a-z-i like me with the jager thing?

Oh, you're pulling the last resort early :-)