EVE General Discussion

I would not call all PvPer sociopaths, but some people who suicide gank to "collect tears", yes their behavior borderlines on sociopathy, it also makes them very sad human beings who should seek out professional counsel.

The problem with using Darwin's Hammer is you don't know what you're selecting for, only what you're selecting against. For example, CONCORD didn't used to exist in Eve near the very beginning. Darwin's Hammer forced its introduction. And now you rail against the supposed "safety" of High Sec? It's safer because Darwin's Hammer selects thoughts in CCP Developer and Accountant heads, not because it changes the mining population significantly.

If you choose to behave a certain way the location does not change the behavior, virtual or real world, how many of these behavior traits do you see in your behavior? I don't find most griefers to be Glib or Charming, Manipulative and Coning, Check.; Gradiose sense of self, Check.; Pathological Lying, well that varies; Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt, Check; Shallow Emotions, varies; Incapacity for Love, unobserved; Need for Stimulation, Check; Callousness/Lack of Empathy, Check; Poor Behavior Control/ Impulsive nature, Check; Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency, unobserved but wouldn't surprise me; Irresponsibility/Unreliability, Check; Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity, unobserved; Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle, Check; Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility, Check. I'd say griefers hit on 9 out of 15 character traits of a sociopath with some of the none hits being gray areas.

Glibness and Superficial Charm


Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.


Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."


Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.


Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.


Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.


Incapacity for Love


Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.


Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.


Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.


Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc.


Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.


Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, **** and sexual acting out of all sorts.


Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively.


Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

Naaaa, it's nothing like that at all. COD is pure FPS isn't it. Like TF 2. There are little social rules even in these games you know, although COD is far worse for people paying attention to them than TF 2 is because TF 2 attracts an *average* older age crowd than COD does. Anyway the point is that in a game like TF 2 pretty much everyone agrees what constitutes anti-social behaviour and players can easily be kicked by admins when they engage in it. Even pubs are relatively well behaved.

When it comes to Eve things are different. It's *possible* to have different groups of people, or different areas of space where what constitutes anti-social or "immoral" behaviour is different. This is where the apparent clash in play-styles comes from. You are convinced you are right and The Other is convinced he is right. This is simply a cultural difference.

The only problem AFAIK is that on this occasion one "culture" has decided it doesn't like the other and is actively trying to grief it out of the game. And it is griefing especially as it generally involves recycled one week old alts, which btw are a bannable exploit, although difficult to petition for various reasons.

Again, to be clear game-play is invalid if it's performed by recycled one week old alts. Dress it up anyway you like, but that's where most of the butt-hurt is coming from. So all other arguments are kind-of moot here. Behaviour that is petitionable and bannable is what we're mostly talking about.

Actually no it's not, I was talking about the attitude that you should be left alone which has nothing to do with what you're talking about at all, so my argument is not moot at all, it's just you trying to change it to suit yourself. I'm not talking about game mechanics at all so if you wish to discuss that fine, but I'm talking about that fact that some people feel they should be allowed to be completely separated from the rest of the game, which is utterly fallacious thinking.

Do people who play Grand Theft Auto all go and steal cars, murder prostitutes and run people down in RL?

That would make them murderers

Do people who play Skyrim kill dragons in RL?

That would make them dragon slayers

And are they?.....................of coarse not.


If your called a sociopath for shooting people for fun in a game that involves shooting people for fun, then i say those who say this:
a) are in the wrong game
b) need to get a grip on reality
c) need to realise that is just roleplaying interwebs spaceships game and not RL

THIS IS A GAME, NOTHING MORE!!!

It is a symptom of games where PvE and PvP is tossed together. If your PvPers are farming your PvEers of course they will complain.

Most game designers are smart enough to segregate them, but CCP uses its PvE players as a commodity.

So it is what it is.

Please give an example of what you consider to be smacktalk/mocking/rivalry and what you consider to be a statement designed to cause 'emotional grief'.

I have had my GF times lately still, mostly on WHs and HS wars, so at least from my point of view, pvp rocks, even tho i often lose. but i enjoy having the adrenaline rush.