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Does the 'PvPers are Sociopaths' argument bother anyone else?
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Knus'lar
Wormbro
The Society For Unethical Treatment Of Sleepers
#1 - 2012-06-06 06:10:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Knus'lar
I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.

For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?
Doctor Benway Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-06-06 06:12:00 UTC
~Haters gonna Hate~
Luis Graca
#3 - 2012-06-06 06:14:01 UTC
sometimes i wounder whats the right answer to that question Roll
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-06-06 06:14:26 UTC
Well, a lot of people in eve get off when they get kills. They will go off talking as much crap as they can because they got the most awesome kill.

The times of "GF" don't exist much anymore in eve.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#5 - 2012-06-06 06:14:41 UTC
There are sociopaths who PVP but being a PVPer does not make you a sociopath.

If all sociopaths played this game instead of getting into politics or becoming cops the real world would be a better place.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Knus'lar
Wormbro
The Society For Unethical Treatment Of Sleepers
#6 - 2012-06-06 06:16:06 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
There are sociopaths who PVP but being a PVPer does not make you a sociopath.

If all sociopaths played this game instead of getting into politics or becoming cops the real world would be a better place.



Lol, perhaps it would. EVE would become more interesting to be sure
Lustralis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-06-06 06:16:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lustralis
Knus'lar wrote:

For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?


It's an interesting question. But the trouble with it is you've used the term "PvP'ers". Nobody would agree with it in that form.
Knus'lar
Wormbro
The Society For Unethical Treatment Of Sleepers
#8 - 2012-06-06 06:20:47 UTC
Lustralis wrote:
Knus'lar wrote:

For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?


It's an interesting question. But the trouble with it is you've used the term "PvP'ers". Nobody would agree with it in that form.


Okay, then lets assume i mean high sec gankers, because thats what the threads are usually crying about anyways
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-06-06 06:22:14 UTC
People who shoot at me are all filthy deviant sociopaths who should be institutionalised.

Now, when I shoot people, it's just fun, and just a game.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-06-06 06:36:45 UTC
In the RW...

I am actually a very calm and collected person... although still a geek.

When people bug me at work I simple tell them, because of what you did or did not do, somebody in EVE online is going hate me today.

Does that make a sociopath? I would rather vent by blowing things up in make believe than show up at the office with a shotgun.

Funny Story... I told my co-workers the only thing keeping me from showing up at work with a Shotgun and blowing all you away is my ability to go online and shoot people. I got nervous laughter which i found extremely funny.

They pay for my internet connection.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#11 - 2012-06-06 06:39:18 UTC
Knus'lar wrote:
For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?


Tell me you don't secretly think that hisec carebears are balanced and responsible people in real life?

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Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#12 - 2012-06-06 06:44:35 UTC
Accusing strangers of moral or psychological deviancy based on behavior in a video game only shows your own shortcomings to the world.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#13 - 2012-06-06 06:47:41 UTC
If all PvPers were sociopaths, Hulkageddon would have never happened. Sociopaths are horrible at forming stable, long term relationships, which is exactly what the largest PvP groups are. It's just as likely that a high-sec miner who comes on the forum to rage about how PvPers are evil bastards is a sociopath. They tend to blame others for their failures and are prone to snap at things the average person can cope with.

That said, I dislike attributing negative personality traits and behaviors to mental illness. People can be assholes or entitled jerks without being mentally ill.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#14 - 2012-06-06 07:02:33 UTC
Makkal Hanaya wrote:
Sociopaths are horrible at forming stable, long term relationships,

By this criteria, its the solo miners who are the sociopaths Shocked

Might want to take some of those threats to kill you next fanfest more seriously, guys Straight

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#15 - 2012-06-06 07:04:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Destiny Corrupted
Reactions I've gotten from other pvpers/gankers/"griefers" after killing/getting killed by them:

- no reaction
- "gf"
- "better watch your back lol"
- emoticons
- compliments
- smacktalk with or without light cussing
- promises of petitions due to alleged desyncs/disconnects
- rarely, genuine dislike for me as a player, but limited to the scope of the game

Reactions I've gotten from carebears after killing them:

- to a small/moderate degree, all of the above, but more often than not, mostly from the following list:

- extreme cussing
- promises of petitions due to my apparent use of hacks and exploits
- accusations of real-life terrorism
- threats of lawsuit/police action
- real-life threats to harm me (mostly done by people who also claimed to be in the armed forces or in possession of weapons)
- real-life threats to sexually-assault me
- real-life threats to harm my wife/significant other (I am unmarried)
- real-life threats to harm my children (I have no kids)
- real-life threats to sexually-assault my wife/significant other
- real-life threats to sexually-assault my children

(I really wish I didn't have to put that last one on there, but I don't want to sugar-coat the issue either; not only has it happened, it's happened more than once.)

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#16 - 2012-06-06 07:08:00 UTC
Cannibal Kane wrote:
In the RW...

I am actually a very calm and collected person... although still a geek.

When people bug me at work I simple tell them, because of what you did or did not do, somebody in EVE online is going hate me today.

Does that make a sociopath? I would rather vent by blowing things up in make believe than show up at the office with a shotgun.

Funny Story... I told my co-workers the only thing keeping me from showing up at work with a Shotgun and blowing all you away is my ability to go online and shoot people. I got nervous laughter which i found extremely funny.

They pay for my internet connection.



Oh dear.

DO NOT joke like that. It's bad enough being known to be a firearms instructor, worse actually having to work in an office.

People like to ninny and say they feel threatened. It's kind of like meta-gaming in an MMO. Sure they can't get your job or get promoted over you or something, but if they can say they "feel threatened" and get you hauled off by the cops, they will. Again I prefer if people who do stuff like that would play this game. That sort would come up to a belt in a Wreathe and one miner and see a Hulk and hit the "report bot" button just out of jealousy.


People would joke and ask me if I would bring a gun to work to help straighten out management and I would say "STFU that crap gives cops a chance to add to their own gun collections:"


Don't joke about that stuff. Eventually you will be dealing with someone who hears the word "gun" and they grow a 500 lb vagina and start peeing themselves and then you might find yourself in trouble.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#17 - 2012-06-06 07:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
Cannibal Kane wrote:


Funny Story... I told my co-workers the only thing keeping me from showing up at work with a Shotgun and blowing all you away is my ability to go online and shoot people. I got nervous laughter which i found extremely funny.

They pay for my internet connection.



We have a winner Big smile

Tal
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-06-06 07:11:34 UTC
Knus'lar wrote:
I see this quite a bit in the rage threads lately. From my perspective, i see a lot of carebears mud flinging, and calling anyone who ganks or does pvp a sociopath. Because apparently only a sociopath would do such a thing. But really, it just seems like a vain attempt at taking the moral high ground.

For real, do some people honestly believe people act the same in game as they do in real life?


You have a link where someone who was ganked (NPC alt's don't count) saying flat out that anyone who ganks or does PvP is a sociopath?
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-06-06 07:14:23 UTC
Spikeflach wrote:
Well, a lot of people in eve get off when they get kills. They will go off talking as much crap as they can because they got the most awesome kill.

The times of "GF" don't exist much anymore in eve.


Um... they never did...
Diablo Ex
Nocturne Holdings
#20 - 2012-06-06 07:21:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Diablo Ex
To be frankly honest here, a person's "Integrity" is measured by how they conduct themselves when nobody is looking. This game, and many aspects of the internet, are anonymous. This allows folks to act out as they want, without fear of consequences. You are as you imagine you are... Those who find enjoyment in ruining the day for others, and generally being a "sociopath" in game, is simply revealing their true inner nature. If they were to find themselves in an equally unconsequential situation, I expect that they would act out in real life as they do in game. Their only "restraint" if they are honest, is self-preservation. If they saw that they could gank and kill, without a danger of being caught, or permanently killed, they would not only do it, they would enjoy the thrill of it.

I speak from real world experience from being in the military and observing human nature. If we remove that thin veneer of civilization, we quickly find out who the animals are...

We also find out quickly who the whiny care bears are when a suicide bomber walks into your local restaurant...
I don't expect to see many folks in the neighborhood making excuses for the bomber, or referring to a sandbox.

Diablo Ex Machina - "I'm not here to fix your problem"
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