EVE General Discussion

The amount of time it takes to get ISK to try out new ventures is too much for me to grind out when coupled with a skilling system that operates in real time. My 2 characters are at about 25 million skillpoints. I do level 4 missions when I have to, lowsec scanning when I can and wormholes when my corp can get a group together. We did incursions when they were worth doing.

So I've got a faction fit Machariel sitting at my level 4 mission hub in case my lowsec/wormhole tengu gets popped, I've learned to always have a backup plan. Doing either just seems like dropping pennies in a bucket.

We were discussing going into production at the beginning of the year and started skilling up alts for mining and production and invention. The problem is my alt is ready for capital skill books and then a carrier, I need an additional billion to get our POS up and running plus I need to replace PvP ships and buy some new ones (just got done with falcon training on my main).

I find it harder and harder to log on and grind out the ISK it takes to try out a new venture, to the point of not logging on at all b/c of the tidal wave of ISK I need making the game unbearable. Maybe I'm just burnt out on eve or maybe games all together but the serious business of internet spaceships is getting pretty tedious.

inb4 go to nullsec

tldr skilling up in real time and making isk just as slowly = getting bored of the serious business that is internet spaceships

Op sounds like you've just burn out, it's normal in Eve because everything you try to do means tons of time consumed for little reward.

If you don't have that much time so sit all day playing or at least huge amounts of week time to play then forget mining/industry.
Invention/research, market is flooded and only a few items are interesting, those require huge amounts of isk investment.

WH's are a nice thing, you go there do your op once a week and you get fecking rich ! -plus you can have tons of fun hunting down neutrals etc.

Take a break for few weeks or months, keep training your characters and come back when you feel you have patience enough to restart doing tedious and time consuming stuff.

"The ISK it takes to try out a new venture."

"New venture."

Doing things takes money. To make the game interesting, you need to be doing things. But doing things takes money. So you need to make money. Which probably is less exciting, or just boring after all this time.

Trying things takes very little ISK. The ISK requirement only really ramps up as you ramp up the involvement. That's why I'm asking. I have this sneaking suspicion that he's simply setting his goals to high for such a trivial matter of “trying” something and then get burned by the cost because he's not good enough at it yet to get his money's worth (because he's still just trying and learning).


Doing things takes exactly the amount of money you are willing to invest. Whether that amount is sensible for what you want to do is a different matter. So what is it he wants to do, and why does he need so much ISK to do it?

Ok, so you need ISK to make ISK — an investment of sorts…

…so what do you need that ISK for, then?
You mentioned getting the capship skillbook and a carrier — why do you need those?

It does read like burnout. Either take a break or try moving into W-space vs just visiting there.

Production can be done from NPC stations - more profitable from a POS but a POS also takes logistics to keep it up and running. That will require time and effort but, from the sounds of it, you're with a group so you can rotate who's doing what.

Production yields a semi-passive form of income. That will help alleviate some of the isk concerns -- which it does sound like you are tired of working at so that should help a bit. Just like PI might if you do some of that.

The rest? Pretty standard stuff. You have some ships, you want some more so you buy them. You have a few spares of older ships - either get rid of them in some way (sell or go on a rampage) or stash for a rainy day.

The isk comes in with a bit of effort but it's not that much effort - just the time to get it "grind time" as many see it. If you want more risk with the isk, move into wormholes and you can earn with the risks vs splitting the areas you operate out of and the profits match the risks you deal with. It's quite nicely balanced this way.

You don't have to rent from someone else who's liable to shaft you anyway, nor join some d00dz who do nothing but insult everyone not in their group and such other "politics of the super egos".

Hell, you actually have folks in w-space that PvP simply *TO* PvP and walk off with respect for the good fights vs just tossing insults and sneers. It's a different game world where you do risk while earning -- the "small gang" end-game of EVE.

Oh, and yes you can fly capitals in WH's - they're used for capital escalations (PvE) and having them, they also tend to be used for defense/offensive PvP from time to time.

Just giving a suggestion on one area to look at.

Fly cheap. If you want to ECM then use a Scorp or Black Bird if you can't afford a Falcon.

Keep the tengu sell the mach. Or Vice versa

You are pretty presumptious.

To the rest: We have the manpower to do pretty much whatever we want short of nullsec as a corp which consists of real life friends of mine. The problem is that moving into W space is not gonna be a 'get burned out like you have been for the past 2 months and take a break' venture. Just trying to figure out what to do without diving in head first into the risk pond and then afk'ing for weeks again.

No, I am asking you questions to figure out where the problem might reside so I can give you some proper advice.