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why don't minerbears just fly with logi?
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Spineker
#301 - 2012-06-01 04:30:56 UTC
Why don't hi-sec miners have a Carrier on stand by... oh wait because Null sec Epeens cried.
Ituhata Saken
Killboard Padding Services
#302 - 2012-06-01 04:35:00 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
So you're sacrificing two-thirds of your tank for a survey scanner.

Again, stupidity is not a game balance problem.


It's useful module so you don't waste 2,5 minutes mining almost empty asteroid.

In nullsec everything is automated so it's scrap metal in there.


So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience.


I was going to ask what the purpose of the survey scanner was. Really, if that's all it tells you is whats left, so what? Target the multiple asteroids you're sitting on and be ready to roll your strip miners over to the next.....oh right ,forgot can't do that while AFK.

So close...
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#303 - 2012-06-01 04:35:45 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
So you're sacrificing two-thirds of your tank for a survey scanner.

Again, stupidity is not a game balance problem.


It's useful module so you don't waste 2,5 minutes mining almost empty asteroid.

In nullsec everything is automated so it's scrap metal in there.


So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience.


I believe that is exactly what he is saying. Roll

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#304 - 2012-06-01 04:39:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
RubyPorto wrote:
So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience.


What's properly fit Hulk then?
One that will never get ganked.

There isn't one.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#305 - 2012-06-01 04:41:39 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience.


What's properly fit Hulk then?
One that will never get ganked.

There isn't one.


Why do you think that a Hulk is the only mining vessel in Eve?

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#306 - 2012-06-01 04:46:55 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Why do you think that a Hulk is the only mining vessel in Eve?


Show us how to fit a tank to Covetor. Because it looks like we carebears are bad at this game.
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#307 - 2012-06-01 04:51:30 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience.


What's properly fit Hulk then?
One that will never get ganked.

There isn't one.


Why do you think that a Hulk is the only mining vessel in Eve?


I suppose gankers could gank in other ships than destroyers and feel like it was well worth it?
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#308 - 2012-06-01 04:58:15 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Show us how to fit a tank to Covetor. Because it looks like we carebears are bad at this game.


Why do you believe that a Hulk and a Covertor are the only mining vessels in the game?

Spikeflach wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience.


What's properly fit Hulk then?
One that will never get ganked.

There isn't one.


Why do you think that a Hulk is the only mining vessel in Eve?


I suppose gankers could gank in other ships than destroyers and feel like it was well worth it?


Gankers can gank in any ship they want with varied success/reward.
Miners can mine in any ship they want with varied success/reward.

And both of them can do it without changing the mechanics of the game.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#309 - 2012-06-01 04:59:38 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
So you're intentionally CHOOSING to make your ship cost-efficient to gank in exchange for some little bit of convenience.


What's properly fit Hulk then?
One that will never get ganked.

There isn't one.


One that is tanked such that it's unprofitable to gank. 30k EHP is fairly unprofitable to gank.


Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Why do you think that a Hulk is the only mining vessel in Eve?


Show us how to fit a tank to Covetor. Because it looks like we carebears are bad at this game.


The Rokh mines more Ore than a Covetor and tanks better than some Orcas. At the same time.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#310 - 2012-06-01 05:07:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
RubyPorto wrote:
The Rokh mines more Ore than a Covetor and tanks better than some Orcas. At the same time.


I want to see 290k EHP fit with eight Modulated Deep Core Miner IIs right now.

Edit: Because it doesn't really require effort to get over 200k in Orca. Even with cargo rigs.

[Orca, 214k EHP]

Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]
[Empty Med slot]

[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Large Cargohold Optimization II
Large Cargohold Optimization II
Large Cargohold Optimization I
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#311 - 2012-06-01 05:15:39 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
The Rokh mines more Ore than a Covetor and tanks better than some Orcas. At the same time.


I want to see 290k EHP fit with eight Modulated Deep Core Miner IIs right now.


Some Orcas.

I see plenty of people fitting their Orcas with 2x Cargo Expanders.


Anyway, here's 258 EHP, beating your Orca. With gang links from the Orca, it's 306. 322 with Implants.


[Rokh, Mining Rokh]

Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Limited 'Anointed' EM Ward Field
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Large Shield Extender II

Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Deep Core Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I


Mining Drone II x5


EDIT: How could I forget the DCII. Guy below has the better one.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#312 - 2012-06-01 05:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
RubyPorto wrote:
I see plenty of people fitting their Orcas with 2x Cargo Expanders.


Then they do it wrong. How can someone not see potential of that huge structure HP?

Hell, even without Bulkheads it's still over 170k.
FeralShadow
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#313 - 2012-06-01 05:21:16 UTC
relevant:

http://imgur.com/exO2u

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#314 - 2012-06-01 05:23:37 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
I see plenty of people fitting their Orcas with 2x Cargo Expanders.


Then they do it wrong. How can someone not see potential of that huge structure HP?

Hell, even without Bulkheads it's still over 170k.


How can someone not see the potential of that Medium Shield Extender on a Hulk? Roll

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#315 - 2012-06-01 05:24:38 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
I want to see 290k EHP fit with eight Modulated Deep Core Miner IIs right now.

k

http://i.imgur.com/K3rZz.jpg

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Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#316 - 2012-06-01 05:26:42 UTC
Kimmi Chan wrote:



Gankers can gank in any ship they want with varied success/reward.
Miners can mine in any ship they want with varied success/reward.

And both of them can do it without changing the mechanics of the game.


Cool, so let face it then people, ganking in battleships would be ideal as you can probably gank any exhumer, tanked or not tanked, without fail.

Or wait, is there a more logical reason ganking exhumers is done with destroyers?
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#317 - 2012-06-01 05:29:33 UTC
You know..

There could be a gap in this area to allow a fun new module for the orca to use on other mining ships.

Hows about a module that uses X cap a second to run and while activated on a ship in range creates a "Remote shield generator over charger".

The idea being when activated this module will buff the target mining ships shields by say... 10k.. or maybe 20k? And let it run all its highs to protect some hulks, only one allowed to be activated on any mining ship at any time.

could be good for low sec 0.0 as well as high sec.

not a bad idea i think :)

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#318 - 2012-06-01 05:41:00 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
How can someone not see the potential of that Medium Shield Extender on a Hulk? Roll


Increase in EHP is around 5000. LSE would be nice, but no grid for that.

Richard Desturned wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
I want to see 290k EHP fit with eight Modulated Deep Core Miner IIs right now.

k

http://i.imgur.com/K3rZz.jpg


Tengu as off grid booster in hisec. Nice, but it doesn't mine more than Covetor.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#319 - 2012-06-01 05:49:41 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
How can someone not see the potential of that Medium Shield Extender on a Hulk? Roll


Increase in EHP is around 5000. LSE would be nice, but no grid for that.


It's a 50% increase in your tank, taking you from 20k to 30k EHP.

Quote:

Richard Desturned wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
I want to see 290k EHP fit with eight Modulated Deep Core Miner IIs right now.

k

http://i.imgur.com/K3rZz.jpg


Tengu as off grid booster in hisec. Nice, but it doesn't mine more than Covetor.


Never said it did. You demanded something specific and ridiculous. So because you didn't think far ahead enough to make it actually impossible, you had to move the goalposts yet again.

A max 4x MLUII mining Rokh mines more than a Covetor and has about 115k EHP. There is no way to cost effectively gank that ship.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#320 - 2012-06-01 05:59:18 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
It's a 50% increase in your tank, taking you from 20k to 30k EHP.


Who said I have Hulk with crappy tank? It's mixed yield+tank fit with 25k (28k overheated) against thermal.