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Yes this has been a nightmare even still in POS use ,especially in pos use I spent more time stuffing around now then I ever did in various Inventorys give us THE CUSTOMERS a opt out option back to the old system this is a disasaster that should never of got off the ground .dont spend 6 months and god knows how many micromanaged patches to try a remady a bad idea.

Scrap it or give us the option to revert.

When it first came out. I though it was barely an improvement. With these latest tweaks it has gotten better. I've salvaged, pos managed, and dealt with corp hangars. I've not dealt with multi bay ships or corpmates private hangars (I hear that one is a real nightmare), keep fixing things like you did with the last patch and it'll be great.

LOL CCP Minmatar of game design lol sniggers duct tape lol

I cant say i enjoy much of the way the inventory works now, it's become a constant battle to try to organize my ship cargo, corp hangar and loot window positions, as often i end up closing one when i open an other. It's very confusing and increases my effective response time in combat situations where i need to reship quickly at a pos.

Now it's not ALL bad, i do like the centralized list of assets on the side of the inventory window is very practical, my main complaint is directed mostly at how the new system manages windows. I was used to one dedicated box for ship inventory, always visible immediately after reshiping, so i could see what it contains. now unless you Shift+Click on the ship inventory asset and drag it back to where you want it, the thing disapears, and you have to do this on every relog.

It's tediousl and Batshit annoying. *Click click click click*

I do have a few thoughts regarding the UI, it would be really nice if extra windows like the wallet, journal, ship loadout map and other non combat essential stuff could be dragged outside of the actual game window leaving the main screen free of most clutter, and sparing the gpu having to render two screen fulls of space and game geometry, say across a second monitor, without having to pull the entire game client across it. (A bit like how 3Ds max works with material windows and layer windows.)

you can sort of do this by stretching the eve window to two monitors and adjusting the camera offset.

Posting the most recent communication with CCP's customer service guys. The message seems to be getting through finally, although I still don't see CCP suggesting that we will be given the option to have the old UI functionality back. Please keep up the feedback fellas.

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2012.05.31 00:11:00 Mournful Conciousness

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To be honest, having seen the state it's currently in, I have my doubts that soundwave has any idea about how this game is played. I have very little confidence that he even knows how the inventory system should work.
I am sorry to say that I have been writing software for 25 years. I know a bad job when I see one. Deeply flawed assumptions have been made in this software redesign - in that all "containers" are similar. However from the user's perspective, all containers are very different, with distinct functions, properties and identities. You are not building a filing system, you are building a game.
I am still unable to fathom why the dev team at CCP thought that this UI system was in any way acceptable, or indeed even a good idea. Perhaps you can find an answer to this for me? It might serve to restore a little confidence. At the moment, I have none, which is a deeply disappointing state of affairs.
My thanks, Richard

Edit: GM petition quote removed - ISD Eshtir

at the very least if it's so incredibly challenging to save window positions and undocked window state.. make it so the shortcuts work for: fuel bay, corp hangar each division, corp deliveries, etc etc.

Existing shortucts are broken btw for instance for corp deliveries.

Due to not having the time or patience to read through 65 pages of posts, I will simply post my thoughts on the UI and apologies if I am repeating anyone (although that should serve as reinforcement that it's something that needs to be addressed).

#1 issue I have is the L A G just getting the screen to load up. In one of my corps that does a great deal of building, there are hundreds of blueprints, piles of raw materials and ships, etc etc. That screen takes nearly a full minute to come to life and the little spinning "loading" icons to go away. Considering in the previous system this loading was <1 second or instant, I think I am not wrong calling it UNACCEPTABLE. If a freighter can align to warp faster than my corp hangar can load, I'm pretty damned unimpressed.

Second serious gripe is the appearance and ordering of things within this "wonderful system that works for everyone". I like my ships and items hangars (usually merged with the station services window) ordered by icons, as well as my individual ship cargo hangars. I like my corp hangar arranged by Details and ordered by Group. They keep constantly flipping to whatever the last one was, and this too is unacceptable. Everything knew how I had it before, and that it cannot do it after an "improvement" strongly suggests you cannot call it an improvement.

Member Hangers. I use these extensively to pass building materials to my employees. While I am delighted that you've re-learned the alphabet so that I can successfully locate a builder once more, you in the process broke the ability to shift+click and open them in their own window. Yet another step backwards. Also, these I like in icon view and the usually end up in detail view like the corp hangar I am pulling materials from.

I won't say the new system is impossible, but I will say that it's poorly implemented, buggy, and has several distinct faults that make it aggravating and CUMBERSOME to use. And if you could give us back ship spinning, there is no reason you can't give us the option to use this or the old system, and saying it's "too difficult" is the sort of thing that gets people out of jobs in my experience. You are professionals with a clearly upset customer base, not kindergarteners. Figure out how to make your customers happy, or risk losing them.

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Oh yes, I also forgot about the misbehavior of the Corporation Hangars in the tree trunk. If I click it, it WILL expand and stay put after about the length of time it takes a freighter to align, but it stays open if I do the little open-close-open dance with it.

Someone probable mentioned this... but it would be nice to have a setting that turns
off the active cargo and hanger "estimated price" feature because it seems to cause
lag when looting wrecks and moving large amounts of stuff around when docked.

Otherwise it seems to be a good change.

OK CCP Soundwave
How about this ?
To the left of the screen is that quick bar that you implemented this made life easier for sure

ADD 3 slots on it one for personal assets /one for corp hangar / one for ships each one opens a separate window

make the corp hangar open to reveal tabs as before for each division
voila we have the old function back

anybody who wishes to use the new system still can by clicking on the regular icon for inventory

bingo problem solved everyone happy

people would also gain quicker access to what they are looking for because now instead of scrolling a tree its one click and your in

you could even just put them in the eve menu thing to add to the quick bar as an option that way people could choose if they want quick access to one or all


if this does not sound feasible PLEASE
Please tell me why ?