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EVE Online: Inferno 1.0.3 to be deployed on Tuesday, May 29th

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A55 Burger
Weiland Yutani Corporation
#81 - 2012-05-29 18:41:52 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:


I have, and it worked just fine. Ive done maybe a dozen L4 missions since the new UI, looted and salvaged them all in about the same time as before. On a Mac.


Key words = "ABOUT the same time"
Point of contention = Lag that is here now, that wasn't before
Irrelevant words = "On a Mac"
Shea Valerien
House of Valerien
#82 - 2012-05-29 18:43:52 UTC
I like the new UI for the most part.. I just want a separate ships button so I can switch ships more easily. The current ships interface stinks.
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-05-29 18:44:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Callidus Dux
Vincent Athena wrote:

I never said they did a survey. I was referring to a Dev comment about what CCP sees people complain about in the forums. They saw complaints about the UI needing too many windows open at once, they did something.

Maybe the issue here is CCP needs to do more surveys rather than use the forums as a polling service.


Nice.. but they do not see the sh!tstorm now? Cool
See it as it is. CCP has manipulated the statistic that it fits to their plans. Evil Or CCP is really so dumb to listen to a small group here- that fits into their plans but ignore the whole majority rest- who hates the idea.
This is the only logical reason why they could change it; and deny EVERY statement what they are willed to change more to this unified UI.
Why not expanding the old function of more windows WITHOUT ANY SHIFT-Crapsh!t shortcut into the new UI? Most players want exact this. They would stop to set the forum on fire if CCP will work on that. Even if it takes several weeks. But they do not respond to this FEEDBACK / Wish from the community.
Mathieollo
Ind Inc
#84 - 2012-05-29 18:50:25 UTC
Shea Valerien wrote:
I just want a separate ships button so I can switch ships more easily. The current ships interface stinks.


same here! :)

i found you can leave one inventory UI setup for cargo and another while setup for your corp hangars, but it could still use quite a bit more attention for corp hangars also, and can we get rid of more of the wasted space that the tree takes up?
A55 Burger
Weiland Yutani Corporation
#85 - 2012-05-29 18:52:27 UTC
Callidus Dux wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:

I never said they did a survey. I was referring to a Dev comment about what CCP sees people complain about in the forums. They saw complaints about the UI needing too many windows open at once, they did something.

Maybe the issue here is CCP needs to do more surveys rather than use the forums as a polling service.


Nice.. but they do not see the sh!tstorm now? Cool
See it as it is. CCP has manipulated the statistic that it fits to their plans. Evil


This part of the game didn't change because of user input. It changed because of the image in this devblog, and because Soundwave thinks that right click options are 'bad'. Furthermore, when SiSi testers gave the same feedback you see in these threads, it was ignored, and pushed live anyway.

Ergo, our input doesn't matter until there is a screaming horde of us with pitchforks. A survey would be treated the same way, that is to say, ignored.
Mangone
Plan.B
#86 - 2012-05-29 18:52:30 UTC
Nikita Ishii wrote:
Hello everyone!
I'm just here wondering if you kids can pull the stick out of your ass and actually attempt to research what CCP has done.
Now watch closely what I do here its pretty cool and it took me all but 15 seconds to find post expansion.
I call this advanced feature Right click, or Shift-Click for all you fancy hotkey users out there. See what this little magic trick does is it creates a new window for the Ship bay or Inventory that you selected. Shift-Click both of them and now you have the old UI, only its a bit fancier with the estimated value and the total volume. How about that! Now bear with me children i know its not instant and it will take about 5 seconds out of your lives. Careful though you might get carpel tunnel from all the wrist movement you have to do. Pun Intended. Cool
Yours Truly,
Nikita Blink


Yes we all know about that shift click crap.. But the problem is that u need to shift click million times during day because it doesnt remember what windows u had open before u undocked or logged out!!!
A55 Burger
Weiland Yutani Corporation
#87 - 2012-05-29 18:57:26 UTC
Mangone wrote:


Yes we all know about that shift click crap.. But the problem is that u need to shift click million times during day because it doesnt remember what windows u had open before u undocked or logged out!!!


No, you see, moving an option that only requires mouse input to an action that requires keyboard and mouse input is BETTER!

Also, windows that open slower than they did before are IMPROVEMENTS!

Par'Gellen
#88 - 2012-05-29 19:11:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Par'Gellen
Just saw this in a mission. Dunno if it's been mentioned or not. Some rouge drone models are borked.
http://www.neoncranium.com/dronemodelborked.jpg
The 2D image doesn't do it justice. In 3D and moving it looks mega stupid.

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...

N3LLY
Reverberation Inc
#89 - 2012-05-29 19:22:07 UTC
shift click sucks ass
game is still broken

[b]UI IS CRAP GET RID AS SOON AS POSSIBLE P.S. [/b]CAN I GET A REFUND FOR LOST GAME TIME ?

LTC Vuvovich
Old-Timers Department
GF Company
#90 - 2012-05-29 19:29:39 UTC  |  Edited by: LTC Vuvovich
BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD - PART TWO

1. I have posted some new examples of the malfunctions which exist in the Unified Inventory System (UIS).

2. Each example includes highlights and comments in a step-by-step scenario.

a) http://webpages.charter.net/deloge2012/Takeoff01.jpg
b) http://webpages.charter.net/deloge2012/Takeoff02.jpg
c) http://webpages.charter.net/deloge2012/Takeoff03.jpg

3. CCP will you please have a look and see what if anything can be done to correct the malfunctions.


Respectfully Submitted,
LTC Vuvovich
N3LLY
Reverberation Inc
#91 - 2012-05-29 19:33:11 UTC
LTC Vuvovich wrote:
BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD - PART TWO

1. I have posted some new examples of the malfunctions which exist in the Unified Inventory System (UIS).

2. Each example includes highlights and comments in a step-by-step scenario.

3. CCP will you please have a look and see what if anything can be done to correct the malfunctions.


Respectfully Submitted,
LTC Vuvovich



give us our windows back & right click options thats a big answer defo make us smile

[b]UI IS CRAP GET RID AS SOON AS POSSIBLE P.S. [/b]CAN I GET A REFUND FOR LOST GAME TIME ?

Par'Gellen
#92 - 2012-05-29 19:52:38 UTC
Mangone wrote:
Yes we all know about that shift click crap.. But the problem is that u need to shift click million times during day because it doesnt remember what windows u had open before u undocked or logged out!!!

Their silence on this particular issue is distressing. I'm starting to wonder if they are even considering fixing this... Sad

"To err is human", but it shouldn't be the company motto...

Mathieollo
Ind Inc
#93 - 2012-05-29 19:56:09 UTC
Par'Gellen wrote:
Mangone wrote:
Yes we all know about that shift click crap.. But the problem is that u need to shift click million times during day because it doesnt remember what windows u had open before u undocked or logged out!!!

Their silence on this particular issue is distressing. I'm starting to wonder if they are even considering fixing this... Sad



true, they're probably still hoping they won't have to apologize like last time if they ignore it long enough though from what it seems like...
Varesk
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-05-29 20:25:31 UTC
So when will I beable to align the NeoCom to the top or bottom of the screne? That was promised during the last Patchxapsion.
Drak Fel
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#95 - 2012-05-29 20:40:05 UTC
Before new UI...

Dock ship
Switch to new ship from already open list
Drag ammo into cargohold
Drag nanite paste into cargohold
Undock


With new UI...

Dock ship
Open unified inventory window
Click ship hangar line
Wait for it to load looking at little spinning circle
Switch to new ship
Click item hangar line
Wait for it to load looking at little spinning circle
Drag ammo into the line with the ship name
Don't let go fast enough and switch active window to he ship's cargohold
Click the item hangar line again
Drag nanite paste to the line with the ship name but miss by a hair and let go on the line under it
Do it again really slow to make sure it lands on the right line
Undock

Even something as simple as switching and loading ships takes three times as long.

And yes, while I could avoid a couple delays by shift clicking open everything I want to work with (everytime I dock) that takes longer than it used to as well.

Not to mention how often I almost drop stuff into the corp hangar instead of the personal one. Or how fun it is to line up the ship hangar list just right so that I can put certain ships into my carrier.
Myn Fel
Red Frog Freight
Red-Frog
#96 - 2012-05-29 20:50:36 UTC
Nikita Ishii wrote:
Ok negative nancy maybe you have mental issues and enjoyed undocking and redocking continuously just to open your cargo windows. I for one spend 45+ min out of station. And even when i do dock its only to unload cargo, maybe speak with an agent.
Its only 2 possibly 3 windows depending on what your doing. And their placement will be the same when you open them. Sorry if a few clicks upon entering station is too much for you. Its really only one more click than you did when you had the old ui.


I dock and undock thousands of times a month doing courier contracts. If that's not part of your gameplay that's fine, but don't try to say that just because its possible to make it work doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with the new system.

If it now requires more time and effort to do the same thing (which it plainly does) its not a good feature. Features should make the game easier and funner to play, not do the opposite.
Lone Gunman
Forhotea Corporation
#97 - 2012-05-29 20:53:14 UTC
Conspicuous Forums-Alt wrote:
Any news on when pi in factional warfare low sec is gonna be fixed?



Yes the UI sucks BUT you can at least use it and eventually get your items from one container to another. In QA Parlance we would call anything else on the UI priority to be worked on under P4 Design Suggestion; this is the lowest priority for QA.

There is currently a feature that does not even work and that is you can't put a new PI command center up in Low security system. This would be considered a P2 High priority and it still is not fixed (as there is no workaround) with Inferno 1.03.

On a positive note they did fix the autopilot not docking.
waross
Subsidy H.R.S.
Xagenic Freymvork
#98 - 2012-05-29 20:55:36 UTC
give us a option to use old invetory!!!! we don't like single window!!!
Marisol Shimaya
Doomheim
#99 - 2012-05-29 20:56:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Marisol Shimaya
Dieter Rams wrote:
Peter Fajl wrote:
Gummi Worm wrote:
give us a option to use old invetory!!!! we don't like single window!!!


+1

yes , we want old inventory back !!!!

The new one srsly sucks A**


No we don't want the old inventory back, thank you very much.


Sorry to say this ;

You need to learn about we we need and what we demands in our old system and work very fine with out the new one

Andyou must be joking.

Fight For Our Rights

Certis
Boa Innovations
Brothers of Tangra
#100 - 2012-05-29 21:01:54 UTC
Pat0chan wrote:
Dear CCP,

DON'T YOU READ THREADS?????

PEOPLE (YOUR CUSTOMERS....US) JUST WANT TO HAVE THE OPTION OF CHOOSING BETWEEN SOMETHING THAT IS WORKING SINCE 9 YEARS OR YOUR SO CALLED NEW UI.
STOP WASTING TIME TO TRY FIXING SOMETHING THAT 2% OF PEOPLE WANT!

At the Fanfest, you said that you will listen and work with your customers, dont see that yet.

You promessed that the new patch will be full of amazing features, WHERE ARE THEY?


LISTEN TO YOUR CUSTOMERS FEEDBACK!



Agree absolutely - an it's that 2% or so that seem to be quite happy to be PAYING to be UNPAID game testers and troubleshooters. Just go do some serious mish/exploration looting and then see how you like it - unless of course you enjoy waiting around to get ganked.

Once again, way to go CCP - lots more desubs of long standing players on the way since the last lot left after the PI nerf.