EVE General Discussion

Now a bunch of carebears, "economic PVPers" and that sort will hate this idea and since sadly very many of them make up part of the Eve Universe I doubt this will be considered but here goes nothing.

I think we need to fragment High Sec. To me it is crazy that you can travel to all the major trade hubs going purely through high sec. Where is that danger that you get from actually shipping your stuff from one area to another? First things first, the space between all the factions needs to have a low sec border. So if you go from Jita (Caldari) to Amarr (Amarr...err yeah) you need to go through low sec. Like wise I think each sub faction should be divided in similar fashion to some extent like going from Amarr to Khanid space.

People may not believe it but this game has an over saturation of richness. You can make billions of isk with minimal risk. Whatever happened to trade ships actually having escorts? Getting your shipment of trit from station A to station B suddenly becomes an event you show up for and play. There needs to be more of a merging between PVPers and industrialists beyond just one group breaks stuff and the other builds stuff to be broken again so more stuff can be built.

If you need fluff about why this would suddenly happen, I don't know, write up some catastrophe. Some major pirate incursion, economic collapse, Jovian PMS, whatever.

TLDR: Make low sec a necessity by dividing highsec along factional/regional borders.

Normally i would troll this kind of stuff to death but here is an honest answer for you.



Its a terrible idea and here is why.


You will create highsec Islands that dedicated highsec players will not leave. So an Amarrian will never leave Amarrian space and so on.


Eventually people will move the most populated Island and others and there economies will die.


This means that Industrialists will move where they can sell there stuff and you will not be able to get stuff in the less populated Islands unless its at great cost.

Eventually everyone will live in one place and just like Nullsec is now even more of New eden will be empty.


Also i take it that you are a lowsec pirate who dreams of an unescorted hauler jumping through there game

I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea, but it's not good enough to stand on its own. Low sec should have (more/better) actual reasons for people to go there; it should not just be an obstruction for high sec haulers and industrialists.

remove sentry guns at low sec gates, so that folks starting out with pvp can do so at the gates ( where most low sec pvp happens ) without having to try to upgrade to a ship that they aren't properly skilled to fly, or sometimes aren't properly financed to be able to easily replace...

Take for example Solitude, a highsec island surrounded by lowsec.

It's a horrible place.

That's exactly it. Each region has to have its own material that the other regions does not have. This would force people to cross over. You simply CAN'T just have a "high sec island that is over populated" because you can not create anything that way. So that criticism is pretty much done with.

It'll break eve, back to the drawing board.

High Sec is to big anyways, go for it and crack it open.
Will all people just flok into one of the factions high sec area's and the rest runs dry ? Maybe and so what ?
Old players will rebel and new players wouldnt know otherwise, so there is a plus for new people.

There are other ways to make low sec more interresting though, but those would requere a give and take sollution. But we all know that everyone just wants to take and none want to give because of "sandbox" right ?

I think the earlier point about the high sec industrialists staying in their island is still sound, even in the face of these points. Look at the minerals that are specific to low sec. Are they and their ores somehow unavailable in high sec?

No, people in high sec simply build models that are predicated on purchasing from market. A supply/demand dynamic takes over because SOMEWHERE in the thousands of players is someone willing to make a pot full of money taking the stuff from island A to island B and selling it at a profit because its not otherwise available in island B.

For the system you quote to work, you would have to completely ban for transport and sale whatever the item is in island B. And then I have to question, whats the point of that item anyway? If you cant take it back to island B for manufacturing, doesnt that kind of defeat the point?

Also you would have to retool critical types of manufacturing to require stuff from the different high sec islands. Unobtanium from B would HAVE to be in a bunch of stuff with whatever from A. Even then it would have to be pervasive. Make tech 2 the only items to have unobtainum from B and you will simply have fewer industrials making tech 2 stuff -- which is kind of how it works today anyhow :D

The fewer carebears, the better.