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disasteur
disasterous industries
#1161 - 2012-05-27 09:45:29 UTC
Peter Drakon wrote:
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote:

But it is easy. They have a goddamn version control system, all they have to do is git checkout CRUCIBLE_1_2_3 or whatever they tagged it. If they were dumb and didn't tag it, they can still look at their commit log.

And revert the whole database with your progress on the last week, your wealth, your skill points? The missile effects and the wardec system and everything they released?



yeah you have a point, seems a good strategy from CCP to wait until its to late for a roleback
it also would be nice of CSM to take a stand in this matter, i think they leave out a good oppertunity to raise there voice
atleast i tought they where elected to speak for the players, but then again what do i know..........
cenourinha
Doomheim
#1162 - 2012-05-27 09:58:48 UTC
DazedOne wrote:
The more I think about this steaming pile of **** the more infuriated I get! I will go on record and say **** you CCP and **** your ****** interface!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ban my account for all I care as I've already unsubbed; banning me will do absolutely nothing as you've already destroyed the game I came to love. The old interface worked more than fine and the new interface is a steaming pile of ****! Everyone already knows you "CANT POLISH A FUCKIN TURD."

You guys who worked on the missile effects great job!!!!!!!!!!!

Those of you looking for people to blame for this abortion look no further than these fail people that need to lose their jobs:

Game Design Director : Craig Scott
Lead Game Designer : Kristoffer Touborg
Game Designers : Marcus Andrews, Carl Christian Frederiksen, Stefán Friðriksson, Guilhem Marin, Hrafnkell Smári Óskarsson, Matthew Woodward
UI Designers : Örvar Halldórsson, Steinar Pálsson


In particular these 2 fail individuals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Örvar Halldórsson, Steinar Pálsson Those **** stains need to be fuckin fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your applauding those retards on this steaming pile of ****?????????????? The more I look at this game the more mad I get . How about this ladies and gentleman;

These ass hats are the people PAID to protect us from **** being implemented into our game:

QA Leads : Helga Bjarnadóttir, Dave Mitchell
Testers : Gabriel Bell, Linzi Campbell, Kenny Crowe, Heiðar Eiríksson, Charlie Eriksen, Aaron Fell, Jaimie Fryer, Hinrik Gylfason, Ben Hall, Ben Hunter, Simon König, Daniel Preineder, Scott Rhodes, Andrew Robinson, Stefan Schubert, Ian Shiels, Sami Solkinen
e4e Contractors : Jesse Alfstad, Gary Bannerman, Iain Bex, Alexander Clowes, Gregor Chalmers, Aya Fujio, Chisato Goto, Benn Green, Euan Hislop, Ryotaro Hoshino, Satoko Hotchi, Nicholas Inglis, Rowan Liddell, Neil Logan, Tormod Maclean, John Nelson, Chance Newman, Michael Read, John Ree, Victoria Sinton, Sayaka Speirs, Drew Spencer, Mark Stuart, Will Vasquez
QA Manager CCP Asia : Bing Mikael Xi
Testers : Wenqi Guo, Justice Liu, Daniel Wu
EVE China Localization QA : Lion Chen, Marshall Ao

The most laughable part of this is the testers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF did they test?????????????????????? As I said, I already unsubbed, I can care less if they ban my chat priveldeges nor do I care if they ban me from this game for that matter. Can't play a game with broken mechanics so banning me prior to my remaining time expires is saving me endless aggravation.......


+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1
Xantos Semah
#1163 - 2012-05-27 10:06:57 UTC
I wish we could have this feature also working and behaving exactly like the old one. If not then Im not happy at all and all my friends in New Eden

-2 for the untested feature
+1 for quick response to the problem

REMOVE LOCAL !!!
cenourinha
Doomheim
#1164 - 2012-05-27 10:15:04 UTC
10:06:29 Combat Your Mjolnir Torpedo hits A Memorial to the winners of the Ruevo Aram Riddle Competition, Heinky and Shin Ra of Burn Eden, doing 137,5 damage.
Samuella II
The Destined
#1165 - 2012-05-27 10:16:33 UTC
OLD INVENTORY PLEASE CCP I BEG YOU
Mhari Dson
Lazy Brothers Inc
#1166 - 2012-05-27 10:18:37 UTC
I hate forums, I refuse to read most of 'em because I'd rather be playing the game than reading about it. The new inventory sucks, get rid of it and fire whoever dreamed up this steaming pile of ****. Chop down the tree, drag it out back, take every copy of the new demolished UI pile it on top and burn it, gather the ashes and go dump 'em in the volcano.

What'll really happen is we'll get 4 months of patches that really just pile more code and additional server calls causing the entire game to suffer degraded performance and user aggrevation. An angry customer is a customer that doesn't come back, even wal-mart understands this. or better yet, let me give this in new UI style:

U **** US OFF WE NO PAY PAYCHEK

If I were good with HTML I'd have made that a tree but meh.

Revert back to the previous inventory system or achieve all promised fixes before my accounts run out in 9 days or that's another 4 gone. I wish I'd bought Diablo 3 instead of renewing my 4 subs.
Spanking Monkeys
ZC Omega
#1167 - 2012-05-27 10:22:55 UTC
Peter Drakon wrote:
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote:

But it is easy. They have a goddamn version control system, all they have to do is git checkout CRUCIBLE_1_2_3 or whatever they tagged it. If they were dumb and didn't tag it, they can still look at their commit log.

And revert the whole database with your progress on the last week, your wealth, your skill points? The missile effects and the wardec system and everything they released?



yeh, id take that option if it ment i could find stuff easy again.

i need to open 4 corp hangers at a pos and check all tabs. this used to take me about 2 mins. now it takes me 28Shift clciks and a spred sheet.

sp's and isk are meaningless if you cant do what you once could
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1168 - 2012-05-27 10:28:22 UTC
Peter Drakon wrote:
Callidus Dux wrote:

But for sure! REbuild the old UI with the new CODE. This may take time but is possible. What once was present can be there again.
Just compile the code!

I said done in a sensible way, what you suggest may take many weeks, maybe one or two month to do so. In that time they can do many improvments to the new.


What I mean is:
Rebuild the old inventory. Let us drag out EVERY available information into several, independent adjustable in size an position, windows.
THAT; and only THAT would be an acceptable improvement. NOTHING other! First rebuild the old UI!
After that you can improve more, but ALWAYS in mind not to change the UI so fundamental again.
The first improvement MUST BE to rebuild ALL the functions of the old UI including hundreds of available windows.
If YOU dont like this idea fine. You can work on with this current crap and wait till YOUR ideas of improvements will be implemented. But the old players, who loved the old UI should be the first people who gets their desires satisfied. I will never learn this sh!t, full of hidden mysterious shortcuts, lag and tree view. NEVER!
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1169 - 2012-05-27 10:36:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
Peter Drakon wrote:
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote:

But it is easy. They have a goddamn version control system, all they have to do is git checkout CRUCIBLE_1_2_3 or whatever they tagged it. If they were dumb and didn't tag it, they can still look at their commit log.

And revert the whole database with your progress on the last week, your wealth, your skill points? The missile effects and the wardec system and everything they released?



The missile effects is part of the inventory ? The amarr ship colours is part of the inventory ? The frigate cosmetics is part of the inventory ?
The inventory not necessary for saving your skillpoints to database. Dont be fool.

The database and the inventory is other things. Did you see the CCP database anytime ? I don't think so.
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1112/crucible-1_0_57975.zip check it. You talking idiotic things. So, stop it.
Wreckar
Space Unicorn Protection Agency
#1170 - 2012-05-27 10:40:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Wreckar
It's just proof that no one at CCP actually plays the game.

Sure they log on every now and then for ***** and giggles, admire the pretty colours and effects, get themselves killed in their fail fits, then go to a bar and pat themselves on the back.

Anyone who actually plays the game can realize the flaws in the UI instantaneously.

They're still watching what we do and not what we say, otherwise they would've taken the constructive feedback offered prior to release and done something with it.

And where is the CSM ? This is their job, to present customer concerns to CCP.
Wreckar
Space Unicorn Protection Agency
#1171 - 2012-05-27 10:41:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Wreckar
Removed.
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1172 - 2012-05-27 10:47:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
Callidus Dux wrote:
Peter Drakon wrote:


@Players: reverting back is not going to happen, that can not be done in a way it would make any sense. I know it sounds so easy: "revert the code back!". It is not, and never has been easy; not on a codebase this size and complex. However they can change the inventroy, they can go forward, and shape it how you ask them to. That they have not changed it before release based on the sisi feedback was a huge mistake, but it can not be undone now. They have apologized for that, now they have to move forward. It is time for you too to do the same, either way.


But for sure! REbuild the old UI with the new CODE. This may take time but is possible. What once was present can be there again.
You can build the body of a ball pen out of plastic; wood, metal or what else. Different materials but always the same function.
Just compile the code!


This!!!
"REbuild the old UI with the new CODE!!!!"

It is not impossible. Forget the useless treeview, give back to us, the easy handly tool as we had before, we want to forget this new inventory nightmare. If CCP want to upgrade the new inventory program code with new functions , just do it. But with same design such as old. Not really hard to understand this, i think.

Chop trees save Eve!
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1173 - 2012-05-27 11:04:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
Wreckar wrote:
...And where is the CSM ? This is their job, to present customer concerns to CCP.


Where is or where was ?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1236702#post1236702

Just check it. Before Sisi release. LOL
This is our brown noser CSM without inventory try.
Davina Sienar
The Misinterpretation of Silence
#1174 - 2012-05-27 11:09:35 UTC
#1 Posted: 2012.05.03 10:08 | Report
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Our UI people have been on a tear lately, reshaping EVE's many interfaces and making the experience of using them a lot more pleasant.

Please read the latest on your user friendly EVE future in this blog from CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @ccp_guard
---------------------------------------------------------------snipp----------------------------------------------------


user friendly^^ LOLOLOLOL


I want some of the drugs too
Carcopino
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1175 - 2012-05-27 11:10:55 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
disasteur wrote:


im sorry for asking, but what are your intentions, and how do you think this to rectify?
i understand this is a bizar situation but a little more specific answer would be verry nice


Restoring as much of the old functionality in the new framework.


Please explain this, since I just have been senior software analyst for 20 years so I am certainly newbie in this area:

- You had a partially re-factored system that was not ready for production. It's not just about the bugs, but judging by the "scarce" amount of feedback you are receiving, it lacks of fundamental gameplay features.

- You knew it'd take weeks to implement the missing fundamental, game breaking gameplay features.
If you did not (odd), you know about this now.


Despite the above premises:

- You will take weeks if not longer to implement the showstopper missing features but will keep it in production and will keep having a plethora of annoyed players.

- After weeks and weeks in the best case we will achieve... the same stuff we had for 9 years. Just slower and taking unneeded screen real estate.


What's the rationale behind this?


I just had to quote this here player because the issue he/she brought up, together with some other folks who probably wrote the same things, does indeed raise some legitimate concerns.
And I just can't stress this enough.
The mere fact that your average player has to ask these questions should really make the alarm go off somewhere again.

I think of playing Eve as some kind of pleasant journey.
Sometimes I have to stop ( patch days ) for a refuel or to switch to a different vehicle.
But!. If I pulled up in a fine sedan, I don't want to have to hop onto a 40 year old scooter with no engine and a puncture, understand ?.

I must admit that you track record thus far ain't exactly stellar, but all this really makes me wonder what other creepy "improvements" you weird fellas might actually have in stock for us players.
disasteur
disasterous industries
#1176 - 2012-05-27 11:28:00 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
Wreckar wrote:
...And where is the CSM ? This is their job, to present customer concerns to CCP.


Where is or where was ?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1236702#post1236702

Just check it. Before Sisi release. LOL
This is our brown noser CSM without inventory try.


good to know they do nothing, except drinking and doing stupid stuff, like doing ermmm nothing and drinkingShocked

server stats from http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility do show a nice and steady downwards fall
Maraner
The Executioners
#1177 - 2012-05-27 11:28:17 UTC
we're still getting ignored, its time for CCP Unifex to step up and field these issues. I was online tonight with about 20 of our pilots, except for one guy the whole bunch of us detest this new, laggy inferior UI. We we're moving corp hangers around on Sisi, what a mess, it just took forever.

Please CCP please please, return our prior functionality without the lag and the bugs and the unwanted loss of screen real estate. And all of the other issues your customers are having with this feature. It is becoming a debacle again. I just dont understand why you are so hell bent on a broken, unwanted, hated and inferior UI.

There is a point where this is going beyond holding your line to sheer bloody mindedness, that line has been crossed, roll it back or make it optional before Inferno burns CCP to the ground.
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1178 - 2012-05-27 11:28:30 UTC
Davina Sienar wrote:
#1 Posted: 2012.05.03 10:08 | Report
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Our UI people have been on a tear lately, reshaping EVE's many interfaces and making the experience of using them a lot more pleasant.

Please read the latest on your user friendly EVE future in this blog from CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal.

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @ccp_guard
---------------------------------------------------------------snipp----------------------------------------------------


user friendly^^ LOLOLOLOL


I want some of the drugs too


I think he used same drugs, what used the designer, who created the new Amarr ships colors. :P
N3LLY
Reverberation Inc
#1179 - 2012-05-27 11:30:23 UTC
BURN THE FRIGGIN TREE come on ccp sort it Evil

[b]UI IS CRAP GET RID AS SOON AS POSSIBLE P.S. [/b]CAN I GET A REFUND FOR LOST GAME TIME ?
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1180 - 2012-05-27 11:38:18 UTC
disasteur wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:
Wreckar wrote:
...And where is the CSM ? This is their job, to present customer concerns to CCP.


Where is or where was ?

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1236702#post1236702

Just check it. Before Sisi release. LOL
This is our brown noser CSM without inventory try.


good to know they do nothing, except drinking and doing stupid stuff, like doing ermmm nothing and drinkingShocked

server stats from http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility do show a nice and steady downwards fall



It is not exactly right. They did something. They told for everyone in Eve-Radio what a perfect and flawless inventory is what CCP created for playerbase.