EVE General Discussion

Back on a 5 day trial to check out the new features, and I'm guessing they're very short on developer talent right now because it looks like CCP just cut and pasted the contracts interface to create this "new unified" system.

Since they killed the "pod lore" I came back hoping we'd have stations to walk in now. Nope, still stuck in that little room, and now I am unable to sort my inventory properly.

Is there anything you guys really listen to the community about? I read these forums almost daily, and I've heard no one asking for this "feature".

On this forum, all I see here is crying about some dude named mittens and some corp who has a logo that looks like a pregnant, mentally challenged honey bee...

This UI does remind me of Imelda Marcos's shoe closet!!! I think the problem was the Unified Inventory was programmed by a girl!

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After they fixed a few of the bugs I really like the new system. One problem is that selecting more than a few items and trying to move them rarely works. Only a few items will be moved.

For what my 0.02 isk could possibly be worth, I love the new inventory UI. It's far cleaner, easier to work with and a huge step forward. It's not perfect, but I definitely don't want the old inventory back, I'd much rather have this one polished to perfection. I must say, however, it feels rather raw and rushed, like a beta version.

The most significant complaints I have are about it's performance, particularly when in space, and certain silly quirks, and they are probably what prevents many people from seriously getting a taste for it. To wit:

• It takes a few seconds to load my modest container tree when it shouldn't have to, really, and if the delay is at all dependent on the number of items, I can understand why people who have more of them would bitterly complain.
• List modes are slower than they were previously, especially in space.
• Stack All in space on a simple Noctis full of loot can freeze the entire client for a few seconds. It's particularly bad when the inventory is in a list mode.
• It were possible to have list mode selected per container previously, which was convenient because you could have one container always as icons (easier to grab and drag) but another always as a list (easier to eyeball the quantities), but now there is only one list mode selection per the entire inventory. Switching to list modes does not keep the 'show meta level' setting, it's getting lost. It would always get lost, but now that you can't have per-container list mode settings, it getting lost is annoying.
• Item hover text includes the estimated price, which has little relation to market prices, but doesn't include something much more important when eyeballing a list of diverse items - their meta level. I can make filters (which are really cool) and did, but meta level in hover text certainly wouldn't hurt.
• This has been mentioned to death, but this needs to be addressed. When looting a large number of containers piled up next to your ship, as is common when salvaging a mission, the inventory window constantly switches back and forth between the ship's cargo hold and the new container. The loading delay slows an already tedious process down, even though the 'Loot all' button is always in the same place. Not switching back to the cargo hold at all when the container disappears would be the quickest way to address this until a smarter solution can be devised.
• When dragging items into container list entries, the delay between switching the main window into the container's list entry is too short for me, so half the time I end up needing to click back to where I was sorting items from and half the time I don't. Making it configurable to taste would help.
• Being able to change the icon size - at least optionally making them smaller by a multiple of 2 - would be very nice. When I resize the rest of the UI globally, icons follow, and now the text is nicely readable, the icons are a bit too big.
• I'd give a lot for nested containers when I can use them as sections this easily, just for the organisation benefits. It would be best if the containers placed within other containers would just lose their containment bonus, though I doubt that would be easy to code in an abuse-proof fashion - but just adding containers that offer no containment bonus into the database should be trivial.

In short, this kind of approach to inventory also implies a higher need for user customization. I expect the whines will not continue for long if the inventory system is worked on further.

Throughout the various patches that have introduced "difficult" change through the years I have accepted and adapted. Admittedly, some of the changes were annoying, but I never really understood the nerdragequit approach.

Today, I encountered the full force of this armed and operational inventory system, and although I doubt I'll unsub, I just couldn't face playing any more "file systems in space" today.

The inventory and its containers now have bad attitudes, from a container's "everything you put in me is locked even though you told me not to, including after you reset me to put things in me unlocked again" (yeah okay, that's probably just a bug, but still) through to the inventory's "I'll only sometimes open a new window with SHIFT-Click - mainly when it doesn't interfere with whatever arbitrary other thing I'm up to right now" or even the more general "hang around a bit, I have no idea what I had 5 seconds ago so I need to go ask Mom again" 10-15 second delays.

The reason any interface "works" is that they are fit for purpose, generally meaning they are easier to work with on at least efficiency and correctness scales. That is, do "X" within human response timescale (usually < 2s, based of human conversational pause thresholds), make it obvious how to achieve the goal correctly (and with minimal energy/effort), and provide feedback it so it's obvious what's going on. The purpose is often contextual - there's a reason hierarchical file management systems have a range of interfacing options and not just one forced model (various windowing modes and views and CLI). It's not like this inventory problem is novel - it's okay to look at how it has been solved elsewhere and adopt some of the pri

If this interface model is harder to work with than the previous one for many use cases, doesn't that imply something to the UI team? It's okay to make mistakes as long as they are corrected and learned from, but a forced step backwards in usability (well, for some players) isn't a very good ending point.

Right, because moving your technetium and rifters around is soooo tricky...

Who ever created this new "realy good" inventory system , was on damn good drugs and a total idiot. Old system worked so much better and easier. If i was in charge of CCP , he would be fired so fast , he wouldn't know what hit him.


I WANT OLD INVENTORY SYSTEM BACK !

It's not the system I have an issue with. It's the graphical elements in the window I have a problem with. Sorry to whoever came up with that arrangement, but it's pretty meh.

It's perfect for stations, but I don't like the clash in UI styles for being in space. And I found the old style cargo bay window to be far less visually intrusive than it is now. It's a distracting sight seeing that window on my screen, not matching any other UI elements on my display.

You really couldn't get any more unobtrusive than the simple, low-impact look of the previous cargohold window.

It's like going on someone else's computer and seeing that they cluttered up their favorite internet browser with a bunch of useless toolbars. I wouldn't have that on my machine, and I loved that EVE's UI kept its in-space UI elements to a minimum.

A fancy, sexy UI has its place, don't get me wrong. I love the system, I love how it looks while I'm in my CQ. What I don't want is an oversized meter showing my cargo usage, a search filter I'd like to turn off, and a (frankly useless) pane telling me how many objects are in my cargo hold (I can count them), or their estimated worth (I know how much my ammo is worth, I bought it.) The size of those panes squeezes down on what I have that window for, and that's to quickly, easily drag ammo onto my guns, which was nice and compact enough to not intrude on my view of the cosmos.

Yeah, I know it's a little thing, but it's a little thing I didn't have a problem with before.

CCP, you guys are doing a beautiful thing. Please remember that enjoying serious internet spaceship business comes first.

So far I've been very pleased with the new Inventory system, once you get past the "learning curve".

There are, however, a couple of things that annoy the heck out of me.

1. The time it takes to load at a station that has LOTS of stuff. Others have mentioned it, figured I'd jump on the wagon.
2. Attached to above, it seems that corp hangar contents REALLY take a while to load.
3. Maybe it's just me, but I'm really getting tired of having to reposition the window when opening it. Meaning....when I land in station and open the inventory to transfer something, I:
a. Open Inventory
b. Resize the Inventory window
c. Adjust the viewable portion of the window from the Outline/Reference on the left hand side.

Every time I open Inventory, the viewable portion runs up onto the left outline side to the point where I have adjust it. It's a piddling thing (I know) but could the space on the left hand side STAY static in size between Inventory openings? If I click on the collapsing arrow at the top, the viewable window opens fully and covers the Outline on the left. If I click the opposing arrow, the viewable screen goes back to where I've previously set it. So, I now have to click twice OR adjust the size of the viewable window.