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New dev blog: Unified Inventory Changes

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Villan55
#981 - 2012-05-26 02:06:09 UTC
I want to suggest this have it set for the old way and the new way for players. Now I hate the new way about items and stations and the set up to find my stuff it takes me 10 times longer if I am lucky I am Quitting the game and selling this toon. Now the other one that I have I might do the same this one has 39.6 mill SP + and not sure how to sell it but if someone makes an offer its still good to play till June or July so it will be training till then But please give the option back or the other toon that will be 5 years old will be gone from EVE as well. Sorry CCP I hate this its the worst idea b4 asking players the option?? Thats what you should have given sorry I am out till i get an answer. I hope this toon sells Peace all o/Evil
Tequila Breeze
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#982 - 2012-05-26 02:12:44 UTC
Hay new friend, Want to play eve with me ?

New Friend : sure.

Ok, First you open this window and click this thing here and then click over here to open that window but you first have to find the window you want to open on this tree here, then shift click this and there ya go.

New Friend what ?

New Friend : ok so i hit the excape key, it opens the escape menu and i click leave game, ok I got that, So how do i delete it from the hard drive ?
LAlpha
BLACK STUMP AU INC
#983 - 2012-05-26 02:32:55 UTC
This might be the first or second time I have posted in the forum since I started playing EVE. This so called improved interface is SO BAD I have to post. It has become a PAIN to play EVE. Change it back to the old system that actually worked.
DragonZer0
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#984 - 2012-05-26 03:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: DragonZer0
This new system is Sh*t. Really great job it lags to hell and back. Wtf are you thinking I cant just open a single cargo can w/o opening my own cargo hold just to grab loot. Then again trying to sort an orca/carrier own corp hanger to a pos corp hanger with the tabs fing annoying to move from one to another when you have 3 or more main tabs then each sub tab for the corp hangers.

Really new system sh*t. The old one nice and simple straight forwards and don't have to worry about anything but the direct swap of items from one to another.

God really can't remember when I last posted about something so sh*tty!!! Shocked
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#985 - 2012-05-26 03:04:50 UTC
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
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NO! We will not suck it up! This has broken the game for me, and many others. We were promised a new direction from CCP we were promised we'd be listened to. It's absolute betrayal of our faith and trust, and I am not going to tolerate it again.


It's ok I don't want your stuff.

Seriously folks thinking this is Incarna 2.0 are completely out of touch with reality in my opinion.

HTFU. Provide meaningful suggestions and move on.


I dunno, I think you might be surprised. Incarna was passion-fuelled, so there was more of a forum hoo-hah about it, but this is a "meh, **** it, can't be arsed with this" type of deal. I suspect the drop-in-subs-wake-up-call will be quieter, but comparable.

I'm still surprised that CCP are surprised and soliciting feedback on this.

All they need to do (as several people have said) is make the new coding mimic the precise user functionality of the old coding (e.g. have "ships" and "items" icons in the Neocom that behave like the old ones by default PLUS they optionally have the new functionality of tree and filter and whatever other new functionality has been added to icons - and all the other things like persistence, dragging to tabs, etc., etc.)

No telling how hard that is in terms of coding, but it's conceptually quite clear and obvious, and needs no soliciting of opinions.

"Merge ships and items" should then behave in such a way that it allows those who like the UI as it is NOW to have it as it is NOW (one window).

It boggles the mind that we have this mess when one little change - making things sellable from containers - could have gone a long way to cheering people up and turbocharging the existing system, and it's STILL not implemented.

They key word in all this is "redundancy". I don't know about anyone else here, but when I get a new bit of software, say creative software or a game, I learn it by trying things out (e.g. dragging here and there, clicking, double clicking, looking for r-click context menus).

One of the reasons EVE was so gratifying was that it often responded to this type of behaviour. One discovered lots of neat little different ways of doing any given thing, and one could find one's own "path" that suited.

The "unified inventory window" just has no redundancy. It has a very basic "one size fits all" feel to it. It has totally lost the redundancy (and therefore lots of different kinds of functionality to different people and playstyles) of the old system.
Grey Stormshadow
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#986 - 2012-05-26 03:08:52 UTC
♥ this post has no pants and even it did, they were lost to unified inventory ♥ protesting at jita continues ♥ day 3 ♥

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Jonuts
The Arrow Project
#987 - 2012-05-26 03:27:14 UTC
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now that you mention it, this unified inventory works like a charm for games like world of warcraft


How? WoW was pretty stupid by not letting you combine all your bags into 1 window (fixable with an add on), but that's a far cry from a unified inventory. The unified inventory would be your bank, your bags, and your loot window all being in the SAME window. Which would be stupid. And confusing. They're separate windows for a reason!

On a separate note, what the **** is with the tree anyways? It's like I'm paying you for the privilege of suffering through Outlook. I get paid 25.50$/hr and even then I hesitate to use that crap. You guys don't pay me anywhere near enough to actually deal with that bullshit!
Blutomus Maximus
Interstellar Piggeries inc
#988 - 2012-05-26 04:07:02 UTC
I can't read the damned text on the new inventory menu...is there a way to make the text stand out more?
Gypsy RoseLee
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#989 - 2012-05-26 04:09:04 UTC
There seems to be only one way of giving feedback that CCP understands. On all three of my accounts:

Quote:
EVE Online Subscription Cancelled

You have cancelled your EVE Online subscription.

Your account will be suspended at the end of the current subscription period, expiring on XXXXXXXXXXXX.

Your characters will be stored safely and be ready for you to enjoy again should you decide to return.
Capsuleer Newton
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#990 - 2012-05-26 04:20:21 UTC
Jonuts wrote:
Quote:

now that you mention it, this unified inventory works like a charm for games like world of warcraft


How? WoW was pretty stupid by not letting you combine all your bags into 1 window (fixable with an add on), but that's a far cry from a unified inventory. The unified inventory would be your bank, your bags, and your loot window all being in the SAME window. Which would be stupid. And confusing. They're separate windows for a reason!

On a separate note, what the **** is with the tree anyways? It's like I'm paying you for the privilege of suffering through Outlook. I get paid 25.50$/hr and even then I hesitate to use that crap. You guys don't pay me anywhere near enough to actually deal with that bullshit!


that's the point, if WoW have the unified inventory as its bag management system, think about clicking any bag and it'll expand into the unified inventory with the clicked bag as the current opened, and you'll see your other bags and your backpack in the index tree, and when you're "within range" to a bank, you don't have to try and talk to the NPC with all those huge toons blocking the way, just click any of your bag and you'll get access to the bank.... damn pretty good don't you think?LolLolLol
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#991 - 2012-05-26 04:28:27 UTC
To everyone saying that windows uses only one window:

No, it doesn't.

http://i.imgur.com/ncYCS.jpg

Right now, I have Skype, X-Chat, PuTTY (for screwing with my servers), Firefox, Excel, Charmap, Steam, Notepad, Notepad++, Word, 7-zip, VirtualBox, and GIMP open.

"Why," you scream. "Why do you have so many windows open?"

Because I happen to be capable of doing more than one thing at one time, and a singular window defeats multitasking.

While I'm thinking of more **** to shove into my test acceptance plan for a project at work, I can talk to my co-workers on Skype. IRC is open so I can pay attention to my Jenkins build reports and test results. PuTTY's there so I can restart Jenkins when it crashes and eventually update the servers. Firefox is open so I can talk to you. Excel is open because I have some expense calculators and Planetary Interaction expense spreadsheets open. Charmap is there because that's the only app that lets me type "ಠ_ಠ" so I can copy and paste it. So on and so forth.

But again, you bellow "But I was talking about windows explorer! You don't need more than one window to use Explorer!"

Again, you know not what you speak of.

I can create a window for my pictures and another window for the destination folder and dock them side by side, sorting images to the new folder as I scroll and see them. No mashing CTRL+X, changing to the destination directory, and pressing CTRL+V, then hitting back and hoping I can figure out where I was scrolled to. It's all a matter of dragging them as I see them.

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Lord Loco
LOCO TRUST
#992 - 2012-05-26 04:48:34 UTC
For me the Game is called now eve OFFline!
Tank you CCP for make me easy to not play the game!

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Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#993 - 2012-05-26 04:56:27 UTC
As we barrel on toward the 1000th post in this flaming Inferno hate thread, I'd just like to report that, no, the new UI has not grown on me any today.

This thing is never going to grow on me. Everything takes longer and is more complicated. I'm constantly squinting at the tree and scrolling up and down...is that it? ...no. is that it? no. I wish CCP would provide a map to the silver lining in that. Absolutely no amount of tweaking is going to make this acceptable.

I decided not to buy D3. Well not today anyway. Instead, I spent my precious Eve-time consolidating assets, I'm working on defueling and unanchoring my POS's, and I'm creating a new alt - because I really need a character with no assets whatsoever. Until this is made right, it's the only way this is even going to be semi-tolerable.

Whatever I decide to do, it won't be an activity that maintains inventory.

So what now? FW? Pvp maybe? I've never joined a pvp corp before....but then again, I never had any plans to do so either... Hope its something I can find a way to enjoy but if not, at least my things will be properly stored if an unsub is unavoidable in the future. I might get bored and let my sub lapse, but I'd never ragequit.

For good or naught, this UI has completely changed "my" game and put a screeching halt to months of planning and training. So, if that was the goal - mission accomplished. High-fives all around.

Last week, I was building an empire. This week I'm lost and have a headache.

It even sorta irks me that the devs are on holiday while EVE is falling to pieces. The idea of them all smiling and laughing sipping on drinks while this is going on isn't very helpful.

24K pilots on a Friday night? Comeon.

But I have faith that they'll make this right. EVE is pretty resiliant. (Whether that's naievity remains to be seen.) And if not, well that's how these things go. I'll either learn to like it or find something else to do. Like shoot up the monument in Jita. I had to Youtube it to know what that was and I still don't know the significance, but yeah, I'm actually going to fly all the way out there and lob a few pops at it. Why not? I'm not doing anything else atm.

Eleven jumps to go...

So yeah, today wasn't any better than yesterday.

We'll see what tomorrow brings with a newborn alt.

Yonis Kador
GodsSoldier Aideron
Slam Pig Syndicate
#994 - 2012-05-26 05:08:11 UTC
Jared Tobin wrote:
OK CCP Guard, you asked for it, I spent a few days with it... Here are my observations and feedback:

PART 1 OF 2:

- It takes up to 50 seconds to RELOAD the corporate hangar list every time one docks.

- WINDOW AMNESIA: Why do I bother setting my corp hangars, ship hangar, station hangar, etc, all in specific locations - only to have the game forget half of them, especially if a ship's cargo hangar is open - it sometimes overlaps onto that window...

- IF YOU DOUBLE-CLICK a place you would like to open, PLEASE MAKE IT AUTOMATICALLY FORCE OPEN in a NEW window. Because, as we are ALL so used to double-clicking to open a new tab, NOW, if we do double-click anything, we're stuck with a new window that we can't GO BACK from. This is so ridiculously time-consuming.

- FOR THAT MATTER, MAKE A "BACK" BUTTON IN ALL "UNIFIED UI" WINDOWS: One wrong double click or even simply not having an option IN an open window to "Open Container In New Window" will assume you wanted to open up the container in that current window... WITH NO WAY TO BACK UP.

- MORE TIME CONSUMING FOR MASSIVE INDUSTRIALISTS: Enough said? I can provide a list of 72 COUNTED STEPS (and CLICKS) to do something that already took a great deal of "hoops to jump through"... and that was just in one station. Then dealing with a POS and other office-occupied NPC stations... it's just too much to deal with, ending with frustration and ending gameplay for that day.

- MASSIVE TIME CONSUMPTION AND LAG WHEN MOVING/TRADING: It seems that if you massively move or trade 40-400+ items in one movement from one hangar to a personal hangar, one corp hangar to a ship's cargohold, or HADES' FORBID you try to TRADE that much between two people. both sides take FOREVER to clear the item movements.

- FAILURE IN MOVING "ALL-SELECTED" ITEMS FROM CARGOHOLD TO PERSONAL/CORP HANGAR: Example from today: I have 45 sets of massive amounts of items... I select all, move it to hangar, and then it stops halfway through, and lags while it tries to figure out price... by the time it's "done"... half of the "ALL-SELECTED" items are still sitting in the freighter. 30 minutes later I realize this and "select all" again in the cargohold, and move them to a corporate hangar... and lag again.

- TOO LONG, COMPLEX NAMES MAKE "TABS" FAIL: Example: I choose "Open In New Window" for a Corporate Container named "GAS STORAGE". I then "Open In New Window" for a Corporate Container named "WORMHOLE SALVAGE". I THEN DRAG ONE WINDOW ON TOP OF ANOTHER TO CREATE TWO TABS IN ONE WINDOW. Sounds convenient, aside from all the extra special clicking and keystrokes, right?

WRONG.

1: One tab is LABELLED: "Corporation hangars > PRODUCTION BAY > GAS STORAGE"
2: The other tab is LABELLED: " Corporation hangars > PRODUCTION BAY > WORMHOLE SALVAGE".
3: WHEN MERGED AS A 2-TABBED WINDOW: Sadly all I see are two tabs that say "Corporation ha" next to the other tab that also says "Corporation ha"... DOES ANYONE NEED A SCREENSHOT FOR THIS? (...again...)

SOLUTION TO THAT: Make window and tab names display simply their names... not an entire DOS-like "Root Directory" system of naming. EVE is seriously becoming MORE complex than it should be... ironicly all because of an effort to (assumably) make things "less complex". The sheep is going one way, the herding dog is running in the opposite direction. Nothing is being accomplished folks...

- "POP UP" INFORMATION IS UNNECESSARY AND BLOCKING MY VIEW: Speaking of the benefits of "Less Is more" (not the other way around): When I scroll through any window, a FORCED "POPUP" BOX appears overshadowing up to 3 rows and up to 3 columns... containing the following lines:

1: FIRST LINE IN POPUP BOX: "Quantity Of Item x Name Of Item" (gee, if I'm pointing at "it", I think I already know the "name of it"...right?) [let's pause and let the pure logic set in for everyone]
2: NEXT LINE IN POPUP BOX: "Estimated price: xxxxx ISK (per unit)"
3: ...AND THEN YOU ADD AN EXTRA LINE "xxx,xxx,xxx ISK (entire stack)"

...PLEASE: STOP with the ISK calculating and extraneous/unnecessary information. NOT ONLY IS IT BLOCKING MY VIEW OF ITEMS AND QUANTITIES ABOVE/AROUND THE MOUSE POINTER (especially when I have it in a compacted item-list form without any icons). It's really frustrating. Personally, with price estimation and such, that's my job technically (a part of my Corporate responsibilities), and I suspect it is taking up calculating time referencing something within the region's market: Which then makes me wonder if that is part of the extra "LAG" with everything - and every move - I make with items of value. I WILL AGREE, THOUGH: For some people, especially non-industrialists and new players, this may be seemingly very helpful for those players (though honestly, your price estimations are 50% terribly wrong). BUT ITS NOT FOR EVERYONE. SO PLEASE: MAKE IT OPTIONAL.

- AGAIN: MARKET VALUES ON MY OWN ITEM HANGAR?? In one station, I have 22 Station Warehouses separating my assets. I don't need to be told I have "22+ Items" with a value of "33,000,000 ISK" (price of containers only) when in reality I have [for this particular station example] over 28+ billion in "Est. price" value of the items contained within those containers... But I don't see that, nor do I want to (personally). SO AGAIN: MAKE IT OPTIONAL PLEASE. I for one would enjoy the screen real estate.
- WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LINES FOR ROWS? If you open up the MARKET WINDOW, everything from current item Details to Corporation Orders all have clearly visible lines separating the rows. In ALL "uniform inventory type" windows, all I see are column dividing lines.
- POSSIBLE FIX FOR ALL: Why don't you turn the ASSETS button into the "Uniformed Inventory UI" and revert (give us) back to our main TABBED windows: Current Station Item Hangar, Corporation Hangars (All in one WITH TABS), and a Ship Hangar...

CCP!! You know this makes sense!! Come on...
Makaganti
Doomheim
#995 - 2012-05-26 05:35:07 UTC
Well guys like all the other 100000 hate threads about the unified windows, I too hate and will never see the point of what some over paid idiot called an improvement. I have been playing eve for about 8 years now and to date this would have to be the worse patch ever, Its even worse then about 4 years back when the server crashed every 2 hrs or so for over2 months its even worse then inferno in my books at least.

I use to have 7 accounts I dropped 3 during inferno now down to 4. I just re-newed 2 before this patch [wish I waited] and I now have 2 due in July. I petitioned ccp for a refund on the 2 in May [I know no chance] but I can tell you now which I told ccp I will not be re-newing the 2 in July.

The Ginger boss running ccp into the ground needs replacing he's totally out of control. He's allowing his own taste to run patches he's not thinking of the people that PAY his over paid fat ginger ass.

CEO Hilmar Veigar Pétursson (CCP Hillmar) you didn't learn anything from Inferno shame on you " resign "
CCP love child

With Unity there is Power
Drakenfell
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#996 - 2012-05-26 06:42:56 UTC
Change it back to the old system.
New inventory system is realy irritating.
Sometimes fewer is better.
Collins Class Aldeland
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#997 - 2012-05-26 06:52:32 UTC
I sat down to write my first forum post, about some problems that could be addressed in the new inventory system.

However it was long-winded and after this many posts I think few people are reading all of them. Least of all CCP.

I realised that If you fix all of the inventory problems you will be back at the old inventory system. Which worked.

CCP Please do a roll-back, for the reasons stated in the posts above.

Gnast
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#998 - 2012-05-26 07:05:19 UTC
Im prolly wrong, but can only use myself as a refrence when commenting about people online.

As a trader/production dude I got several clients online at the same time.
I had all the clients/windows set up in a certain manner making transfers rather smooth.

If the number of people online is dropping Im wondering if its the traders/production/miner duders that
are taking time out ..?

CCP might end up patching/fixing whats my gripe with it, but I kinda doubt it, and not gonna waste tons of time
and isk betting on it. I operate on a isk/hour calc, and when operating takes double or triple the amount of time
compared to pre patch, then its no longer worth doing.
Personally that translates to concolidating my stuff, selling it off and unsubbing the tradealts I wont be using
anymore. I mean, im already filthy rich, so its not like I need to do the trade thing anymore.
I did it cause it was a fun part of the game. It ceased to be fun after the patch, so I simply stop.
Captain Praxis
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#999 - 2012-05-26 07:24:21 UTC
Jared Tobin wrote:
A long a detailed list of the problems with the Unified Inventory here


This is a fantastic assessment of the new UI.

CCP, please listen to this man!
Dennie Fleetfoot
DUST University
#1000 - 2012-05-26 07:31:33 UTC
1000 posts about this?

CCP, you screwed up again!!

CEO Dust University

CPM 1&2 Member

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