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New dev blog: Unified Inventory Changes

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Reginald Zebranky
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#861 - 2012-05-25 15:51:09 UTC
I don't know if this has been mentioned yet (I haven't read all 800 messages...)

The new inventory system is a nightmare for a player who is trying to fit 40 identical ships!

Imagine 40 ships with the same name in that thing!
Every time you make one active and load the modules it disappears from the ship list and the ship list auto re-sorts!
Keeping track of which ship you're on is damn-near impossible.

So:

- Taking the active ship out of the ship hangar is terrible! Stop doing that for god's sake! It needs to stay in the hangar with a little box or highlight of some sort like before, this is a vital feature for fitting large numbers of ships!

- Auto sorting the ship hangar (or anything for that matter) is a nightmare! Stop doing that for the love of all that is holy!

- Sorting ships my name in that left-panel is also a terrible idea! ships should be sorted by type (then by name)


One more issue:

- Checking the fuel level in a jump bridge is now a PITA. the complex inventory system takes ages to load at the POS when all the user wanted to do was view one simple fuel bay.


In all seriousness you need to consider a rollback on this one.

The new unified inventory has great potential, (good work guys!) but for the moment it is not an acceptable replacement.
Perhaps a hybrid system... When a user clicks a button or menu item to open a specific container/hangar/hold it should open in a simple old-style window. Then the user can open the unified inventory tool from the neocom when and if it is the right tool for the job at hand!

The Unified Inventory is great!
It is *not* the right tool for all the use-cases, in some situations it is a nightmare!
Sciathica Malhavoc
Can't Resist IRON FIST
#862 - 2012-05-25 15:52:02 UTC
Windwalker 2007 wrote:
CCP what happens to your player driven experience motto...!?!?!?

The Unified Inventory was tested on SISI and was a failure there, so CCP decides to drag it on to Tranquility. What is the purpose of SIS if CCP will not listen to the player base when they clearly say something does not work or should not be implemented. I am seeing almost 100% of the posts wanting the UNIFIED INVENTORY removed, so why don't you make it a check box instead of forcing it on all the players who do not want it...?



Interesting Point - So why will CCP not listen to thier customers? Some of us have many years of playing experience.

WE DO NOT WANT UNIFIED INVENTORY!!! The old inventory system did not need to be "fixed", it worked just fine.
Victor Sane
A-1 Industrial and Salvage
#863 - 2012-05-25 15:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Sane
on improvement on the unified hangar / items ui, i was thinking in terms of ships viewing like this showed on my photobucket.com jpeg image

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f173/nightcrawlor/eveshipshangarmanagementpreview.jpg

doesnt have to be an active preview picture showing full scale detail of the ship but a normal picture like the info ones if you want. But it would be nice to see the preview used for this feature aswell.

and also please put in a search feature on the index reform window
Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#864 - 2012-05-25 15:56:48 UTC
This is another lol.

"Why is there a drone bay showing for Tengu when there is no drone bay ???"
Anvil44
Avedis Corporation
The Vanguard Syndicate
#865 - 2012-05-25 16:01:27 UTC
Ribikoka wrote:
This is another lol.

"Why is there a drone bay showing for Tengu when there is no drone bay ???"

CCP wants us to know the truth: At night, when you aren't playing Eve (or maybe during the day), your Tengu dreams it has drones.

It's the truth.

Anyhow, sadly, I will now only log in for skill updates. Forget about PI since I don't want to try and pickup items from planets in WH space and get ganked while I am waiting to see the inventory. Yes I know you can open the windows from afar but I just don't want to risk anything currently. Better safe then sorry. Though I am unsure if I am in real danger as probably the people that like to gank have similar fears themselves.

I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it.
Victor Sane
A-1 Industrial and Salvage
#866 - 2012-05-25 16:03:48 UTC
who knows maybe they plan on giving it an option for addin in a subbie for dronescape
Haruaki
Can't Resist IRON FIST
#867 - 2012-05-25 16:05:27 UTC
Sciathica Malhavoc wrote:
Windwalker 2007 wrote:
CCP what happens to your player driven experience motto...!?!?!?

The Unified Inventory was tested on SISI and was a failure there, so CCP decides to drag it on to Tranquility. What is the purpose of SIS if CCP will not listen to the player base when they clearly say something does not work or should not be implemented. I am seeing almost 100% of the posts wanting the UNIFIED INVENTORY removed, so why don't you make it a check box instead of forcing it on all the players who do not want it...?



Interesting Point - So why will CCP not listen to thier customers? Some of us have many years of playing experience.

WE DO NOT WANT UNIFIED INVENTORY!!! The old inventory system did not need to be "fixed", it worked just fine.



CCP you need to pay attention! The players have expressed their opinion, GET RID OF UNIFIED INVENTORY and give us back the old Inventory system with Windows
Marisol Shimaya
Doomheim
#868 - 2012-05-25 16:07:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Marisol Shimaya
Unified Inventory is crashing my eve clientSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSad

Fight For Our Rights

Ribikoka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#869 - 2012-05-25 16:08:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Ribikoka
From Evenews:

"Boiled in Fail Sauce!

Give me back the container windows that I can place where I like, and they are remembered, each individually.
Why does CCP screw with the bits that were working well? Did anyone complain that it was too frikken easy to open their cargo bay, their inventory window, loot cans, cargo containers, etc.???
Please do not let people who do not play the game do redesigns of stable, competent programming.
WHO ASKED FOR THIS INVENTORY WINDOW?
Some manager I bet. "Hey, lets shat upon the players, they love stupid changes".
Buy the CCP managers a frikken clue! I doubt the programmers dreampt this up on their own.

GRRRRRRRR! "


"^^^ This.

Once again, CCP ignores tester feedback as they get tunnel vision on their current project. Whether it's making space barbies to try and extort money for pixels or fcking up your inventories, CCP will never learn from their mistakes aparently. All these things could be avoided by actually listening to people playing and testing the fcking game BEFORE they try and release new features.

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD CCP, LEARN FROM YOUR FCKING MISTAKES AND ALWAYS MAKE NEW UI FEATURES OPTIONAL OR ABLE TO BE REVERTED TO THEIR PREVIOUS FORM.

Why? Because it makes sense to allow people to decide for themselves whether they want to use the new feature or not. You could have saved yourself a fcking sh*tstorm if you had done this initially with the shipspinning issue, which you were also warned about before you took it away.

LEARN FROM YOUR MISTAKES CCP. "
Mezfin
Can't Resist IRON FIST
#870 - 2012-05-25 16:12:11 UTC
This UNIFIED INVENTORY is the dumbest idea I have seen in a long time, do any of the CCP Devs actually play the game?

For anyone who has a POS or extensive inventory it is a nightmare and it takes hours just to try to get everthing set up so might work. Then you log out, or even just undock or leave your POS and return, then you have to start all over again..!?!?!?!

I have stopped playing the game until CCP rolls back to the working Inventory System or makes this patch optional.
Marisol Shimaya
Doomheim
#871 - 2012-05-25 16:13:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Marisol Shimaya
Quote:
Tranquility will be rebooted at 16:06 UTC to fix potential issues with inter-node communication, more information is available in this forum thread . The server expected to be back online at 16:30 UTC



Hoping that .......

Fight For Our Rights

Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#872 - 2012-05-25 16:16:48 UTC
May O'Neez wrote:
It is a bit sad that people complain in loop about some issues that CCP stated the fix is already in the pipe ... (yes, I know, there's still issues not in the pipe, but they get drowned in the flood :/ )

The opt-out option is silly, because by principle people will NOT use the new system. So they have either to pull back or to fix the existing one, but I understand why they don't want the 2 aside. Moreover, old UI is 9 years old and code must be freaky old and clunky ...


Hello again May.

If a capability were introduced to this game granting players material benefits and advantages, I must disagree with the premise that players would not use it because it is new. The player base for Eve is highly competitive and always on the look-out for a "better way".

Many players wish to see this system removed because, for them, the system is a game-breaking impediment, not an improvement.

If the Opt-Out is silly, where on that scale should one place a system that created substantial, often game-breaking disruptions?

If Opt-Out is not a satisfactory option, what say you to a temporary Rollback? The system returns to SiSi where it might be reworked.

This system has received a notable number of favorable player reviews. It has also infuriated a significant number of players. Perhaps one might consider a short-term response:
-- removed from active play while it is reworked
-- returned to active play, highly modified, and those who found benefits can still access those benefits
-- returned to active play, highly modified, eliminating those functions that are game-breaking for others

IMHO, the concept of HTFU is applicable to gameplay, not to game mechanics.
Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#873 - 2012-05-25 16:24:36 UTC
Maul555 wrote:
I think I know what the problem is guys.... its me. I have only helped them beta test 2 things recently... Incarna and now this. I should just stop beta testing eve features, it never ends well...


Saluting a brave and honest man o7
Solmirana Kelranorra
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#874 - 2012-05-25 16:24:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Solmirana Kelranorra
Ribikoka wrote:
Urgg Boolean wrote:
Many current players have identified the Unified Inventory as a game breaker. I judge it's value based upon what a new player would think if they utilized the free trial for the first time. I doubt few, if any, would disagree that a new player would go "WTF is this ****" and uninstall the game.



Really not ? I brought 14 new players to the game in the last 2 months, all of this players without exceptions feel anger for this crap inventory.
6 players instantly left from the game the others thinking about it. Before this changes, all of them enjoyed the game, but now not.
Many old friends told to me, they wont renew their subscriptions too, they will waiting when CCP will realise they made a mistake and they will try to fix this again. They dont want to pay for a half finished work. They want playing and fun. But this new inventory item just frustate them and that's not really fun.



I am a new player, and I like the new inventory system quite a bit better. Not trying to go to war or anything stupid, or flame or fight. But I'm new and didn't get used to the old one and like the new system better. Got all my station containers labeled and like how they pop up as a list that I can then subdivide further if I like and access off a single branching tree. I understand that I am not dealing with the volume of items or situations that long time players are. As new players however me, my brother, my cousin and my best friend all like the new system better by quite a bit and we're all new players.
Chloe Celeste
Net Effect
#875 - 2012-05-25 16:25:01 UTC
Mezfin wrote:
Why will CCP not listen to it's customers? 90% are saying they do not want the UNIFIED INVENTORY system. At the very least just make it optional so each player can decide if they want it or not, it seems to be popular with the newbies who have no inventory to worry about or manage.

We do not want a TREE system to select what we look at, all we want is our PERSISTENT WINDOWS to Stay where we put each time we enter ior leave a station and at our POS for the windows to remain in the same positions as well.

I would be perfectly happy if the old inventory system was left just as it was, after all it was NOT broken, so why did CCP have to go FIX it..????




AMEN !!
Victor Sane
A-1 Industrial and Salvage
#876 - 2012-05-25 16:26:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Sane
Quote:
#872 Posted: 2012.05.25 16:16 | Like May O'Neez wrote:It is a bit sad that people complain in loop about some issues that CCP stated the fix is already in the pipe ... (yes, I know, there's still issues not in the pipe, but they get drowned in the flood :/ )

The opt-out option is silly, because by principle people will NOT use the new system. So they have either to pull back or to fix the existing one, but I understand why they don't want the 2 aside. Moreover, old UI is 9 years old and code must be freaky old and clunky ...


Quote:

Hello again May.

If a capability were introduced to this game granting players material benefits and advantages, I must disagree with the premise that players would not use it because it is new. The player base for Eve is highly competitive and always on the look-out for a "better way".


I agree with you on that, its like saying lets not evolve ourselves from being a primate monkey to a human being.

it was a bold move they choose to go with, and they suffer for it now but dont scream failure on every corner people since this may redeem itself and yes ive seen the post saying it didnt need to be implemented as a fix since the old ui didnt need the fix cause it wasnt broken. No but it was getting old like everything else they choose to do what they could to make it look good.
Chloe Celeste
Net Effect
#877 - 2012-05-25 16:29:26 UTC
Rhianna BloodELF wrote:
GIVE US BACK OUR INVENTORY SYSTEM WITH PERSISTENT WINDOWS!!!

WE DO NOT WANT UNIFIED INVENTORY OR A TREE TO OPEN OUR HANGERS!!!!



GIVE US BACK OUR INVENTORY SYSTEM WITH PERSISTENT WINDOWS!!!

WE DO NOT WANT UNIFIED INVENTORY OR A TREE TO OPEN OUR HANGERS!!!!
Untouchable Heart
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#878 - 2012-05-25 16:29:54 UTC
Solmirana Kelranorra wrote:
Ribikoka wrote:
Urgg Boolean wrote:
Many current players have identified the Unified Inventory as a game breaker. I judge it's value based upon what a new player would think if they utilized the free trial for the first time. I doubt few, if any, would disagree that a new player would go "WTF is this ****" and uninstall the game.



Really not ? I brought 14 new players to the game in the last 2 months, all of this players without exceptions feel anger for this crap inventory.
6 players instantly left from the game the others thinking about it. Before this changes, all of them enjoyed the game, but now not.
Many old friends told to me, they wont renew their subscriptions too, they will waiting when CCP will realise they made a mistake and they will try to fix this again. They dont want to pay for a half finished work. They want playing and fun. But this new inventory item just frustate them and that's not really fun.



Liar


I know your 4 years old main, so dont lie.
Tolmar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#879 - 2012-05-25 16:30:07 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
We've been busy taking in feedback about the Unified Inventory and figuring out what to tackle first, and how. CCP Soundwave has put together a blog on the subject. Please read the blog here, and make sure you give us your feedback right here in the thread.


Tackle it by taking it out putting old back in and then make a functional interface that can be implemented some other time. Making us deal with a broken ui that is one of the main components of the game is just insane... It is making normally easy day to day actions take forever.
Victor Sane
A-1 Industrial and Salvage
#880 - 2012-05-25 16:30:53 UTC
Chloe Celeste wrote:
Rhianna BloodELF wrote:
GIVE US BACK OUR INVENTORY SYSTEM WITH PERSISTENT WINDOWS!!!

WE DO NOT WANT UNIFIED INVENTORY OR A TREE TO OPEN OUR HANGERS!!!!



GIVE US BACK OUR INVENTORY SYSTEM WITH PERSISTENT WINDOWS!!!

WE DO NOT WANT UNIFIED INVENTORY OR A TREE TO OPEN OUR HANGERS!!!!



well done capsing like a child :)