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TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#1 - 2012-05-24 18:15:45 UTC
--Just to clarify, this is not a CCP buttmunch thread--

Now, as an EvE player, I like to think that CCP tries their hardest to produce a good game. And, indeed, this seems to be the case. One would assume, then, that from the "team spirit" and "friendly, family atmosphere" they often flaunt the employees would be happy.

Not so.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Reviews-E159347.htm

Reviews from anonymous CCP employees show that while the "Laissez fair" attitude of the company when it comes to letting people work creates a relaxed workplace, the management seems to be downright structureless, with management keeping secrets from employees. Promotion opportunities are said to be nonexistent, and there seems to be an undercurrent of cultural segregation within the CCP community if these reviews are true.

To top it off - CCP pays between 15 and 30% BELOW the industry's standard rate! EVE is often seen as the greatest game online to date, which makes me sad to feel that these brilliant minds are being denied promotion and pay when they've put together this masterpiece of a game.

This kind of setup reminds me of another management type, that of a certain Party who managed to boost their country's economy out of the dark ages and into a world power in just a few years. They also had chaotic management and very underpaid workers. They were going great guns right up until '41, when poor management made a very bad decision and decided to take their expansion strategies east. Maybe one day soon we'll see CCP's equivalent of Barbarossa?

Tl;DR
-More stuff for professionals, less for us to reduce their stress. Pl0x.

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
Kyle Yanowski
Malevelon Roe Industries
Convocation of Empyreans
#2 - 2012-05-24 18:21:44 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
--Just to clarify, this is not a CCP buttmunch thread--

Now, as an EvE player, I like to think that CCP tries their hardest to produce a good game. And, indeed, this seems to be the case. One would assume, then, that from the "team spirit" and "friendly, family atmosphere" they often flaunt the employees would be happy.

Not so.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Reviews-E159347.htm

Reviews from anonymous CCP employees show that while the "Laissez fair" attitude of the company when it comes to letting people work creates a relaxed workplace, the management seems to be downright structureless, with management keeping secrets from employees. Promotion opportunities are said to be nonexistent, and there seems to be an undercurrent of cultural segregation within the CCP community if these reviews are true.

To top it off - CCP pays between 15 and 30% BELOW the industry's standard rate! EVE is often seen as the greatest game online to date, which makes me sad to feel that these brilliant minds are being denied promotion and pay when they've put together this masterpiece of a game.

This kind of setup reminds me of another management type, that of a certain Party who managed to boost their country's economy out of the dark ages and into a world power in just a few years. They also had chaotic management and very underpaid workers. They were going great guns right up until '41, when poor management made a very bad decision and decided to take their expansion strategies east. Maybe one day soon we'll see CCP's equivalent of Barbarossa?

Tl;DR
-More stuff for professionals, less for us to reduce their stress. Pl0x.


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Eva Rourge
#3 - 2012-05-24 18:26:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Eva Rourge
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
CCP pays between 15 and 30% BELOW the industry's standard rate


And your point is? In this economy i can name quite a few "well known" companies which have an official policy of hiring at 85%MRP. You know what else? For every such position the line stretches into the parking lot. That is the nature of what we call life, supply and demand. Demand for jobs is high, supply is low. This raises the price of supply or in other words the value of each open position. That in turn allows the employer to offer less compensation. Deal with it already, didn't you go to school?

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Victor Sane
A-1 Industrial and Salvage
#4 - 2012-05-24 18:26:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Victor Sane
One would assume that their lives would be perfect and joyfull, thats not the case they do frustrating stuff like the everyday avarage person does, work work and more overtime work.... oooh the joy.

nobody takes over at work if i go to vacation, if it was upto them (my bosses) they would be saying i should work 14-15 hours a day i would end up with a heart attack cause of all the things i do everyday physicly at the the firm.

I dont know how they have it but i assure you nothing is perfect
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#5 - 2012-05-24 18:27:18 UTC
And the lemmings shift in a new direction!

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#6 - 2012-05-24 18:28:05 UTC
Eva Rourge wrote:
And your point is? In this economy i can name quite a few "well known" companies which have an official policy of hiring at 85%MRP. That is the nature of what we call life. Deal with it.


Sure, but nobody cares about people who work at McDonald's.

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
Eva Rourge
#7 - 2012-05-24 18:32:17 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Eva Rourge wrote:
And your point is? In this economy i can name quite a few "well known" companies which have an official policy of hiring at 85%MRP. That is the nature of what we call life. Deal with it.


Sure, but nobody cares about people who work at McDonald's.


Thank you. You've made further replies to your moronic post completely unnecessary.

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TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#8 - 2012-05-24 18:33:23 UTC
Eva Rourge wrote:
Thank you. You've made further replies to your moronic post completely unnecessary.


That's nice. Now how about some constructive input?

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-24 18:36:07 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
--Just to clarify, this is not a CCP buttmunch thread--

Now, as an EvE player, I like to think that CCP tries their hardest to produce a good game. And, indeed, this seems to be the case. One would assume, then, that from the "team spirit" and "friendly, family atmosphere" they often flaunt the employees would be happy.

Not so.
http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/CCP-Reviews-E159347.htm

Reviews from anonymous CCP employees show that while the "Laissez fair" attitude of the company when it comes to letting people work creates a relaxed workplace, the management seems to be downright structureless, with management keeping secrets from employees. Promotion opportunities are said to be nonexistent, and there seems to be an undercurrent of cultural segregation within the CCP community if these reviews are true.

To top it off - CCP pays between 15 and 30% BELOW the industry's standard rate! EVE is often seen as the greatest game online to date, which makes me sad to feel that these brilliant minds are being denied promotion and pay when they've put together this masterpiece of a game.

This kind of setup reminds me of another management type, that of a certain Party who managed to boost their country's economy out of the dark ages and into a world power in just a few years. They also had chaotic management and very underpaid workers. They were going great guns right up until '41, when poor management made a very bad decision and decided to take their expansion strategies east. Maybe one day soon we'll see CCP's equivalent of Barbarossa?

Tl;DR
-More stuff for professionals, less for us to reduce their stress. Pl0x.


Damn, man, someone has already posted this and its on the first page of General Discussion. Why did you create another post? Ohh I know, to start ****. Got it. Just following the crowd. I love Sheep. They make great wool.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
Eva Rourge
#10 - 2012-05-24 18:36:40 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Eva Rourge wrote:
Thank you. You've made further replies to your moronic post completely unnecessary.


That's nice. Now how about some constructive input?


Edited my original reply to offer a more constructive/clear point of view.

P.S. I surely do not mean to offend but really don't play well with those who speak off their high horse.

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#11 - 2012-05-24 18:37:54 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Eva Rourge wrote:
Thank you. You've made further replies to your moronic post completely unnecessary.


That's nice. Now how about some constructive input?



You are a moron.

Is that constructive enough for you?

The Tears Must Flow
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#12 - 2012-05-24 18:42:18 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
Eva Rourge wrote:
And your point is? In this economy i can name quite a few "well known" companies which have an official policy of hiring at 85%MRP. That is the nature of what we call life. Deal with it.


Sure, but nobody cares about people who work at McDonald's.



As a fellow cook myself (albeit in a far classier location) I would like you to think about that phrase the next time you order a meal and then remind yourself that we are handling your food. Do not **** with us.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Rhatar Khurin
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-05-24 18:45:18 UTC
But if we un-sub, the poor CCP workers will get paid even less!
Jartusk
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-24 18:47:24 UTC
Yeah cause Im going to trust a website that lets anyone sign up and submit a review about a company. I blindly trust anything thats on the interwebs. Now Im headed to web md to find out whats wrong with some people...
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-05-24 18:48:26 UTC
Eva Rourge wrote:
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
CCP pays between 15 and 30% BELOW the industry's standard rate


And your point is? In this economy i can name quite a few "well known" companies which have an official policy of hiring at 85%MRP. You know what else? For every such position the line stretches into the parking lot. That is the nature of what we call life, supply and demand. Demand for jobs is high, supply is low. This raises the price of supply or in other words the value of each open position. That in turn allows the employer to offer less compensation. Deal with it already, didn't you go to school?



I absolutely hate when people use the idea of supply and demand to justify exploitation. Paying someone less because they will take it because they have a family to feed is exploitation. Serfdom is slavery make no mistake about it.

With all that being said I am not necessarily saying CCP falls into this category. Just don't like people implying that it is okay to pay your workers bread crumbs, simply because they got to eat and bread crumbs are better than no food.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-05-24 18:49:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
To top it off - CCP pays between 15 and 30% BELOW the industry's standard rate! EVE is often seen as the greatest game online to date, which makes me sad to feel that these brilliant minds are being denied promotion and pay when they've put together this masterpiece of a game.

If I wanted you to work on some ****** no-name game I would have to pay you extra to make up for spoiling your beautiful CV.
If my image in the industry is great I will pay you close to nothing and you will still take the job because you know that the CV entry will open doors in your future.

The more widely known and respected a company is, the less they have to pay.

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Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#17 - 2012-05-24 18:49:51 UTC
Wow, disgruntled employees, no other companies have those...

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-05-24 18:55:29 UTC
Posting in CCP alt thread

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#19 - 2012-05-24 18:57:36 UTC
Not relevant to EVE General Discussion.

Thread locked.

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