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New dev blog: Unified inventory

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Pierced Brosmen
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#841 - 2012-05-23 13:46:02 UTC
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Well i am developer in RL and i know how paying customers can be pain in ass. You can hardly ever to satisfy them, they will always just see errors and things than could be better. So now when i am on other side, i know how it's hard for them have it and i know that yelling at them is not really solution. It just slow things down and some real issues and suggestion from here are easily lost in that spam in here.

So, as a RL developer, are you in favour of releasing features to the public when they aren't ready for public consumption. Just bechause you want to make a deadline? Especialy since it is a feature that affects absolutely all players regardless of what they do in game.

The biggest issues with the UI isn't the UI in itself (atleast not for me), but it's bugs and utter lack of customization to make it work to the preference of many players (wich in turn makes it feel and handle worse then it did with the old UI)... This was pointed out repeatedly in the test server forums ever since it was first made available for testing.

Personaly, I would rather have CCP iron out the bugs and make it work properly first and then put it on TQ in a point release, then the current policy of releasing unfinished work and then try and fix it while the player base is raging/quitting
Kylar Amilupar
Doomheim
#842 - 2012-05-23 13:55:46 UTC
Marisol Shimaya wrote:
Sorry tho say this that new looks on the inventory is terrible looks and I want the old looks back


And it's big mess too and it's crap too



It's so bad choice of this new looks

I also want to have the old looks back
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#843 - 2012-05-23 13:57:46 UTC
Hey dudes, CCP Soundwave is taking feedback HERE:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1344868#post1344868

He's also asking a relevant question about POSes.
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#844 - 2012-05-23 13:59:56 UTC
CCP Arrow wrote:
TL;DR: We believe you

Then why did you release broken stuff that players don't like?

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.

Krystyn
Serenity Rising LLC
Controlled Chaos
#845 - 2012-05-23 14:07:27 UTC
First you give us Captain's Quarters that none of us wanted. I was looking at a door for many months. Now you cram all of my inventory windows and every other kind of window into one annoying window that I don't remember wanting either. What is the next thing I don't want and don't care about that CCP is going to give me?

Hmm...unsubs a few of my accounts...nothing thanks CCP

I hope diablo 3 is good
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#846 - 2012-05-23 14:13:23 UTC
Chokichi Ozuwara wrote:
CCP Arrow wrote:
TL;DR: We believe you

Then why did you release broken stuff that players don't like?


Hello Chokichi. May I ask where Arrow said this? I am very interested in every statement from this guy, who is responsible for this mess. Thanks.
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#847 - 2012-05-23 14:26:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiger's Spirit
Pierced Brosmen wrote:
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Well i am developer in RL and i know how paying customers can be pain in ass. You can hardly ever to satisfy them, they will always just see errors and things than could be better. So now when i am on other side, i know how it's hard for them have it and i know that yelling at them is not really solution. It just slow things down and some real issues and suggestion from here are easily lost in that spam in here.

So, as a RL developer, are you in favour of releasing features to the public when they aren't ready for public consumption. Just bechause you want to make a deadline? Especialy since it is a feature that affects absolutely all players regardless of what they do in game.

The biggest issues with the UI isn't the UI in itself (atleast not for me), but it's bugs and utter lack of customization to make it work to the preference of many players (wich in turn makes it feel and handle worse then it did with the old UI)... This was pointed out repeatedly in the test server forums ever since it was first made available for testing.

Personaly, I would rather have CCP iron out the bugs and make it work properly first and then put it on TQ in a point release, then the current policy of releasing unfinished work and then try and fix it while the player base is raging/quitting



Agreed, this is the first and important thing.
If their release should be fine, almost all player should be satisfied. But when someone release a half developed stuff, the playerbase dont like it. No one want to hard fight against their inventory system in the game, they just want some fun and play. No one want to get anger from inventory. And inventory is a very important part of game if not working fine, the game is ruined. This inventory irritating peoples who want to play, and this errors need long time to fix until will work fine.

That's means more annoying times for players. And what would be do the annoyed players ??? They wont waiting for fix just go away and leave this game. This is why not really smart thing to releasing out a software in alpha state.
CCP did a mistake when they released this inventory system, because this system need at least more 1-2 months developing time to working well. We are not alpha testers, we are players.
Chokichi Ozuwara
Perkone
Caldari State
#848 - 2012-05-23 14:30:39 UTC
Callidus Dux wrote:
Hello Chokichi. May I ask where Arrow said this? I am very interested in every statement from this guy, who is responsible for this mess. Thanks.

Couple pages back.

Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round.

MamCieZjemCie
Processor Co
#849 - 2012-05-23 14:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: MamCieZjemCie
Ok list of things CCP broke this time.

1. Hangars/Corp Hangars in station close after undock
2. Hangars/Corp Hangars in station don't remember there last position
3. Item, Ship, Corp hangar, Delivery hangar buttons are missing
4. Hangar name on tab is not seen now.... some junk added before it resulting in names being out of this tiny tab

5. Corp POS storage don't open in last closed place
6. Opening new POS storage close old one
7. Can't acces Corp hangars at POS... only way to do so is to find it from list of 150-200 positions
8. In space with one hangar window open, and second one hangar in same window, you can't drag and drop goods on hangar tab from 1st hangar on 2nd hangar tab in same window.

9. If your autopilot got to system where you have destination station, if you warp by hand to station not restarting autopilot, then it won't dock

List of things CCP broke earlier and havent fix yet.

1. Hitting Dock button without enought cap for whole warp will stop you half way
2. Mission "Read Details" info don't remember position where were last time open



PS. Those things are broken, those arent changes, for changes you can count new filter's, left side item window tab or Est. price of goods in hangar
galrizian
Mini Vikings
#850 - 2012-05-23 15:06:24 UTC
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Are you really people so hot headed ? Some thing has changed and it's quite different from what you were used to. That's true, is that really reason to start quiting ? Every change is painful from the start, but it WILL eventually sort out for most of us. You just need to be patient and look at it from objective point of view not like: "mom, they broke my toy, i hate them !".



no... the point is mate ... that this is something wich is realy anoying when you have lots of stuff... this inventory hasnt made anything easier....... its just messed everything up and now it takes 10 times longer to sort stuff out than it used to :)
galrizian
Mini Vikings
#851 - 2012-05-23 15:14:59 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Our UI people have been on a tear lately, reshaping EVE's many interfaces and making the experience of using them a lot more pleasant.

Please read the latest on your user friendly EVE future in this blog from CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal.



a lot more pleasant ?????????????????????? a mssive pain in the arse you mean right ?
Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#852 - 2012-05-23 15:16:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Callidus Dux
I want to suggest, that every one who hates the new UI set CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal to -10 and sends him the notification. Maybe they will THAN see, what they had done wrong. Sad

Make this crap optional or trash it at once.
Dave stark
#853 - 2012-05-23 16:00:18 UTC
log in after downtime, new ui refuses to show my ships or items. can't defend myself as i'm unable to enter any of my combat ships as they aren't showing up in the inventory window yet i can search for them on the assets menu and it clearly states they're in the station i'm docked in.

any chance you could NOT introduce unwanted features that aren't even working in the future?
Zora stein
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#854 - 2012-05-23 16:04:35 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Our UI people have been on a tear lately, reshaping EVE's many interfaces and making the experience of using them a lot more pleasant.

Please read the latest on your user friendly EVE future in this blog from CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal.



Fire them for failure this UI sucks
Dave stark
#855 - 2012-05-23 16:10:27 UTC
Callidus Dux wrote:
I want to suggest, that every one who hates the new UI set CCP Arrow and CCP Optimal to -10 and sends him the notification. Maybe they will THAN see, what they had done wrong. Sad

Make this crap optional or trash it at once.



haha i've just seen the screensots on the blog... old ui you can clearly see the background and the actual game, then the second screenshot the new ui takes up the whole screen...

and they thought being able to see less was a good idea? ccp must have had a good party that we weren't invited to and they must have been passing some thing around...
Alice Krysta
FinFleet
Northern Coalition.
#856 - 2012-05-23 16:19:16 UTC
EVERY TIME U GUYS TRY TO INTRODUCE SOMETHING NEW IN THIS GAME U **** SOMETHING UP,

THIS UI IS RLY ****** UP,
THE UI WAS GOOD AS IT WAS DIDN'T NEED ANY ADJUSTMENTS,
GIVE US BACK THE OLD UI AND U CAN TAKE THIS ONE AN SHUV IT IN THE BROWN HOLE ....

I KNOW THIS WILL PROLLY BE CLASSIFIED AS HATE ..

BUT THIS ******* UI MADE ME MAD AS HELL ..
THE OLD UI WAS JUST PERFECT ...

MAKE THE OPTION TO SELECT BETWEEN OLD UI AND NEW UI, ITS SAME DEAL AS U GUYS DID WITH CAPTAIN;S QUARTERS, YES WE WANT SOME, BUT WE ALSO LIKE AND LOVE THO CHOSE WHAT WE WANT

STOP SHUVING DOWN UR THROUGHTS EVERTHYNG U GUYS DO ... LET US CHOOSE WHAT WE NEED AND LIKE...


COMMUNISM IS KINDA OVER LIKE AGES AGO ...

Thank you !
Taka Tao
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#857 - 2012-05-23 17:31:36 UTC
Bad Bad CCP, this inventory management is a nightmare and unwanted. Keep giving us these kinds of unnecessary resource eating (Pilots Lounge BS) stuff and me and my friends will go back to WoW. Roll It Back.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#858 - 2012-05-23 17:38:53 UTC
UI Feedback
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiN7LEtKze4

Just scratching the surface really. Im sure hte new UI is an improvement for people who have just installed the game. HOWEVER, to people like me who have had layouts far better than the default window positions for years its a HUGE slap in the face and detracts from every single task that requires moving items around or fitting ships.

END THIS MADNESS. MAKE IT OPTIONAL.
Lord Addi
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#859 - 2012-05-23 18:43:20 UTC
... inventory is now gay... with the exception of travelling 2 jumps in a cargo ship to pick up a modual i just skilled i havnt done anything, havnt seen any of the missile updates or anything cos i just dont have have the energy after work to fuk about trying to figure the inventory...

my home station has like 20 ships and 18 station containers in... finding things is a nightmare. all my ships have odd random names and because i cant see a image it took me ages to try and remember what i called my cargo ship..

WHY would you add this without adding a option to turn it off!?
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#860 - 2012-05-23 18:47:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulousli Obvious
Lord Addi wrote:
... inventory is now gay...



Both my Toon and RL persona now hate you personally.

The UI Inventory is BAD. Gay is NOT bad.

Grow up and welcome to the 21st century you 12 Year Old Barbarian you.

addendum: and someone needs to erase your one pathetic Like.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900