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New dev blog: Unified inventory

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Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#821 - 2012-05-23 13:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Callidus Dux
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Ok, so you are just mad because they wasn't listening to some hot-headed arguments and released it. Well i kinda understand them, because you can hardly make decision based on some angry arguments, you need more feedback and what's better than publish it for all and let feedback flow ? :)


Lol you never had a look at it but know, that all feedback is hot-headed? Go away and troll someone else If you do not know what you are talking! Testers had made videos, But a ignorant CCP said, that this is irrelevant. What should we think about this behavior?
Soniver Rozaklis
Stampeding Beasts
#822 - 2012-05-23 13:04:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Soniver Rozaklis
Blue Harrier wrote:
That is what my son said last night just before he canceled his account, something I never thought for one moment he would do. No fanfare just close his client looked at me and said 'I get paid real money to bugfix and code suff at work I don't want to come home and do the same to relax'

He then opened the account management and closed his account and he has been playing for around 5 years.

So what ? It's totally unreasonable behavior. As i said above, it reminds me : "Mom, they broke my toy, i hate them and don't want to see them again !". Reasonable person would just wait and calm down before doing such decisions.
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#823 - 2012-05-23 13:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiger's Spirit
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
I believe this is just beginning and they will improve it in time, you just need to be patient. Anger and rage is not really helping anything. It's heading in right direction in my opinion and i already starting to love it.

Only thing i am missing is to make "favorite containers" or hide those i don't care about. It's hard to navigate through tree full of POS modules that are not relevant for me.

All other things are just small glitches.


Oh man. We tested and informed CCP from errors. Dont talk to us, "we need patient". One month was not enough ? Over thousand posts in forum topics means nothing too?
Patient when they dont fixed their mistakes one months ago, and released a half-finished crap ?
They was well informed for this mistakes, we created videos,pictures, we wrote many feedbacks.

Maybe do you like eat sh*t, we dont. First thing what need to learn a good software developer, no matter if create a good stuff when that is badly developed and have many bugs and mistakes. They need to testing their software and release just when that's almost done and need just minimal repairing and not annoying their userbase.
They had choice to release a half developed crap or not. They didn't listen thier playerbase and they released this alpha state inventory system which is really annoying the players, because hard to handling, has many unlogic things, and need huge ammount of clicking time to time.
Orvarb
Industrial Conglomerate
#824 - 2012-05-23 13:08:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Orvarb
Basicly the new inventory is a step in the right direction.

But there is one issue that bothers me!


At POS you have all modules in one window, that´s ok. But if you do reactions you have like eight Silos called Silo.

Same with the Corporate Hangar Array. All are called Corporate Hangar Array.

Unlike mobile Laboratories you cannot switch the name on those modules. That makes it dufficult to differ betwen the different moduels around you.
Till today i could differ those module by opening them up separetaly and by anchoring the modules in a certain way, where i know where to find what.

Now you have to check all modules in your inventory to find the right one.


Could you plz consider adding the possibility to change Corporate Hangar Names and Ship Maintanence.

And it would be very useful to see wether the Silo is on- or -offline and what type of Material is in the Silo.


This would make the new feature more practicle at POS.

*Edit* Don´t even dare to find a special gun in the inventory if you have like 40 small guns, but i have no idea how to solve this *edit*
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#825 - 2012-05-23 13:09:55 UTC
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Callidus Dux wrote:
Sorry but i am here to play and have fun. I have enough of testing and bug fixing from my RL job. I am not doing it here. I will rather sit patiently and wait for them to sort out things. Dozens of angry posts and mails is not gonna make it faster.
Have a look at it. Than you will see, what I mean. CCP hates its customers and denies ANY feedback from them. So they have to deal with OUR feedback. If you find a bug on SISI you can be sure that this bug will 100% go live 1to1 on the live server.

Ok, so you are just mad because they wasn't listening to some hot-headed arguments and released it. Well i kinda understand them, because you can hardly make decision based on some angry arguments, you need more feedback and what's better than publish it for all and let feedback flow ? :)


There are far more than angry rants on the test server feedback.

CCP were presented with a very well put together list of problems, including some videos showing the issues.

This was not a rant, but a constructive document, with suggestions for sorting out these issues.

If you care to look and not make unfound assumptions, then it is here: http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing

disasteur
disasterous industries
#826 - 2012-05-23 13:14:27 UTC
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Callidus Dux wrote:
[Than please have a look at the Test server forums please. They have all the feedback from their testing players but ignored ALL of them. What should I say? This whole UI-Crap-Sh!t should have never come online. It was never ever a good idea to bring ALL available windows into one. If this would be a good idea; the most people would play eve with this setup. Because it was possible to drag all Windows together till yesterday. But no one did it. Its a crap idea. Nothing more. The whole concept needs to be burned in hell.


Sorry but i am here to play and have fun. I have enough of testing and bug fixing from my RL job. I am not doing it here. I will rather sit patiently and wait for them to sort out things. Dozens of angry posts and mails is not gonna make it faster.




so why the heavy postings then? i mean for a person that doesnt even want to take a look at the test server forums??

go play and have fun in EVE and not out eve

crap·py (krp)
adj. crap·pi·er, crap·pi·est Vulgar Slang
1. Inferior; worthless.
2. Miserable; wretched.
3. Mean; contemptible.

but i guess you where just clowning around huh
Soniver Rozaklis
Stampeding Beasts
#827 - 2012-05-23 13:16:39 UTC
Orvarb wrote:
At POS you have all modules in one window, that´s ok. But if you do reactions you have like eight Silos called Silo.

Same with the Corporate Hangar Array. All are called Corporate Hangar Array.


I am totally with you on this. That's one thing that bothers me too. It should be definitely customizable. Ability to rename/hide containers you want or "bookmark" those you like.
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#828 - 2012-05-23 13:17:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Rommiee
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Blue Harrier wrote:
That is what my son said last night just before he canceled his account, something I never thought for one moment he would do. No fanfare just close his client looked at me and said 'I get paid real money to bugfix and code suff at work I don't want to come home and do the same to relax'

He then opened the account management and closed his account and he has been playing for around 5 years.

So what ? It's totally unreasonable behavior. As i said above, it reminds me : "Mom, they broke my toy, i hate them and don't want to see them again !". Reasonable person would just wait and calm down before doing such decisions.


A lot of us have been around this game for a number of years, a lot longer than your few months.

We have seen this situations with CCP countless times, the worst being last year. We were assured at that time that the philosophy of the company had changed and they would listen to players concerns.

This clearly has not happened, and is partly the reason for the level of players rage over this.

You have not been here for long, and though you are obviously entitled to your opinion, do not be arrogant and disregard the experience we have over similar situations in the past.
Soniver Rozaklis
Stampeding Beasts
#829 - 2012-05-23 13:19:44 UTC
Rommiee wrote:
If you care to look and not make unfound assumptions, then it is here: http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing


I read something of it and if you look at list of problems, first two are already fixed. That means they are listening and fixing !
Barbelo Valentinian
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#830 - 2012-05-23 13:21:36 UTC
Dream Five wrote:
I think it's pretty clear that the people who worked on this new UI never play EVE and have no clue whatsoever what would be convenient for the players and why. Epic fail.


Well, to be fair, there probably are indeed lots of players for whom the new inventory isn't problematic. If you're a pure combat player or someone who just potters about with EVE occasionally, you probably will find the new inventory an improvement. I don't doubt that the inventory guys do indeed play and enjoy EVE, but it's unlikely that they're power users (heavy economics or industry or POS management people).

However, if you consider that EVE must have a substantial number of power users, for them, the new inventory has totally screwed up their gameplay.

As the devblog says, inventory is one of the crucial features of this game.

Well, this crucial feature is now borked to a degree that the (undoubted) improvements don't compensate for.

Anybody in doubt needs to read Tippia's blog on this.
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#831 - 2012-05-23 13:21:46 UTC
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Rommiee wrote:
If you care to look and not make unfound assumptions, then it is here: http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing


I read something of it and if you look at list of problems, first two are already fixed. That means they are listening and fixing !


Read on
DJ P0N-3
Table Flippendeavors
#832 - 2012-05-23 13:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: DJ P0N-3
Well, I can still click on an SMA in space and access ships either from the right-click menu or from the little array of buttons, so my greatest fear has been allayed.

The things I like: It only takes about fifteen seconds to load a full SMA with icon view enabled, and you have a nice loading icon. One facet of POS living has been made much nicer.

The things I don't like: It takes about fifteen seconds to open any inventory window at all for the first time. I have not tested this behavior when the inventory tree is not crammed to the gills and after session changes.

Things that are iffy: Dealing with reaction chains is a little more of a pain than it used to be, but it's so painful to begin with that it's not noticeable.

Things that make a cool toy less cool: It would be nice if I could sit in one place and click around in the tree instead of in space to access various SMAs and CHAs, but since SMAs and CHAs don't have names, it is not to be.

Things I plan to check: Whether list view still instantly loads the contents of a hangar, how session changes and so on affects load times, whether there is a logic to the ordering of SMAs and CHAs in the tree for a start.

Things that would make life really excellent: A way to filter what I see in the tree at any given time and a way to keep certain windows (like the tree!) open and separate from my cargo hold. The tree has the potential to make POS living better, but as it is right now, clicking around in space is still superior.

I still harbor dreams of being able to keep the tree pinned somewhere discreet so I can access containers on grid with me without having to click madly in space or stick them on my overview without diminishing my ability to open things like my cargo hold. It's almost there. I can taste it. My fingers are crossed.
Soniver Rozaklis
Stampeding Beasts
#833 - 2012-05-23 13:22:27 UTC
Rommiee wrote:
A lot of us have been around this game for a number of years, a lot longer than your few months.

We have seen this situations with CCP countless times, the worst being last year. We were assured at that time that the philosophy of the company had changed and they would listen to players concerns.

This clearly has not happened, and is partly the reason for the level of players rage over this.

You have not been here for long, and though you are obviously entitled to your opinion, do not be arrogant and disregard the experience we have over similar situations in the past.

Sorry, but it is hardly story about "i am here longer and you are noob with useless opinions". It's about human approach to a problem. CCP are just people too and people tend to do mistakes. Even if they are paid for it.
Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
#834 - 2012-05-23 13:25:58 UTC
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Rommiee wrote:
A lot of us have been around this game for a number of years, a lot longer than your few months.

We have seen this situations with CCP countless times, the worst being last year. We were assured at that time that the philosophy of the company had changed and they would listen to players concerns.

This clearly has not happened, and is partly the reason for the level of players rage over this.

You have not been here for long, and though you are obviously entitled to your opinion, do not be arrogant and disregard the experience we have over similar situations in the past.

Sorry, but it is hardly story about "i am here longer and you are noob with useless opinions". It's about human approach to a problem. CCP are just people too and people tend to do mistakes. Even if they are paid for it.



Completely agree. But when you are constantly told about these problems, you do something about it BEFORE it hits TQ. They had enough time.
disasteur
disasterous industries
#835 - 2012-05-23 13:27:56 UTC
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Rommiee wrote:
A lot of us have been around this game for a number of years, a lot longer than your few months.

We have seen this situations with CCP countless times, the worst being last year. We were assured at that time that the philosophy of the company had changed and they would listen to players concerns.

This clearly has not happened, and is partly the reason for the level of players rage over this.

You have not been here for long, and though you are obviously entitled to your opinion, do not be arrogant and disregard the experience we have over similar situations in the past.

Sorry, but it is hardly story about "i am here longer and you are noob with useless opinions". It's about human approach to a problem. CCP are just people too and people tend to do mistakes. Even if they are paid for it.



lol but even a donkey learns from its mistakes made in the past... ccp is clearly not, but it is my opinion that the new inventory
doesnt work for me and a lot of other people heavy industrialists, pos owners, missionairs etc.

calling you a noob, well i will not go that far, but your actions of ranting on people who do not think like you really makes you one


crap·py (krp)
adj. crap·pi·er, crap·pi·est Vulgar Slang
1. Inferior; worthless.
2. Miserable; wretched.
3. Mean; contemptible.

and no i will not give you my stuff
Cathy Kay
Perkone
Caldari State
#836 - 2012-05-23 13:29:10 UTC
Sad Just wanted to add my vote.

This new Inventory system is very slow, I do not like it.
Please bring back the old Inventory system.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#837 - 2012-05-23 13:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Rommiee wrote:
If you care to look and not make unfound assumptions, then it is here: http://blog.beyondreality.se/shift-click-does-nothing


I read something of it and if you look at list of problems, first two are already fixed. That means they are listening and fixing !


Yay, and they just had to let slip a whole month and release the broken stuff fist...


Personally what i miss most is the customization of ship cargo holds, see The Window instead of that ship's cargo hold. It's a PITA to have to reset every window to display your stuff the way you want each single time you as much as swap your ship... or opening two windows each time I swap staiton, that's silly. Why should i NOT want to see my ships and stuff in every station?
galrizian
Mini Vikings
#838 - 2012-05-23 13:40:59 UTC
ok.. this is my feed back for CCP about the new inventory.... i hope you read it :)

1.............. its horrible.
2.............. it makes life hard and unorganised.
3.............. theres no point in it.
4.............. everything i had open pre patch i have to open manually now.
5.............. working in a pos is ....erm.....huh......how manny things do i have to open now to check stuff ??????.

The problem is when i docked pre patch i had items' ship hanger' and ship cargo hold all open for me ready to use. i like manny people i know on eve have it set up this way for a reason....... it makes life easy.

Now upon docking i have to open my ships cargo hold ( wich was already open pre patch ) then open my items ( wich was already open pre patch ) then open my ship hanger ( wich was already open pre patch ) then open my ships cargo hold AGAIN ( WICH I MIGHT ADD WAS ALREADY OPEN PRE PATCH ) then for every single container i want to put different stuff in i have to open them all through the inventory instead of just double clicking on them.

And yes i have to now do this every single time i dock.................AAGGGHHHHHH.

Then even to load/change ammo or ships for missions its a case of doin all this again every single time i dock ( wich i might add again, pre patch it was already open for me without me having to click or do anything )

P,O,S'S lmao this is now a nightmare... thats all i can realy say about that to be perfectly honist.

Salvaging lmao this is also now a nightmare.

Mining with an orca in fleet..... how can i put this?..........awfull ?..... ???????

I really dont see the point in puting everythin into 1 window then opening different windows from that window to move stuff around when they ( pre patch ) was already there open an ready to use..

Sorry to go on CCP but this has really anoyed me. And a every single person i know in game hates it.

Apart from that everything else in the patch/expansion is awsome :)

But please get rid of this new inventory or atleast add an option to use the old 1

pls pls pls pls pls pls pls pls CCP make my game hassle free again :)



Zwoot
Dark Fusion Industries
#839 - 2012-05-23 13:43:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Zwoot
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Zwoot wrote:
I liked having many windows opened at the same time. It gave me good overwiev and control of what I was displaying at any given time.


But you can still open separate windows with all containers you like. There is just clumsy thing about finding them in tree (index) and opening with shift+click, but this will surely change. Than you will have back your "old" system with features of new system. Just give it some time and patience.

Before today patch there was error when clicking Open Cargo on some container it displayed cargo of ship, but that is fixed now after DT and behaves as expected.



Yeah I know I still can do this via the shift-click but for me this creates more work and feels more clumsy than the old system.

I'm sure I will adapt eventually but I think the new system makes things MORE complicated and less inituitive and that is the wrong way to go imo.

Oh yeah and another thing....this new system is laggy.
It takes FAR longer now every time you open a container or move things around. This one thing should have been the dealbreaker that sent this change back to the drawingboard or into the dumpster.
If I wanted to stare at a spinning circle I would start up my old Windows XP machine.
Blue Harrier
#840 - 2012-05-23 13:44:55 UTC
Soniver Rozaklis wrote:
Blue Harrier wrote:
That is what my son said last night just before he canceled his account, something I never thought for one moment he would do. No fanfare just close his client looked at me and said 'I get paid real money to bugfix and code suff at work I don't want to come home and do the same to relax'

He then opened the account management and closed his account and he has been playing for around 5 years.

So what ? It's totally unreasonable behavior. As i said above, it reminds me : "Mom, they broke my toy, i hate them and don't want to see them again !". Reasonable person would just wait and calm down before doing such decisions.

No it’s not ‘Unreasonable Behaviour’ it seems to be the only thing CCP understands and takes notice of. He closed his account not to ‘throw his teddies out of his pram’ but because he has watched me along with many others do something you can’t seem to be bothered to do

We do go on the test servers, we do find bugs and we do report them, we also in as constructive a way as possible let the Devs know if something is not correct for the player base in general or wont work unless modified.

Most of this ‘work and time’ we provide for free because we like the game and do it without fame or looking for a gold medal we just do it. Like CCP we don’t always get things right but at least we try.

You should also remember that some of us who play this game have been in computing far longer than some of the jumped upstarts who give their opinion so freely.
I’m retired now but was working with computers long before most on here even knew what a computer was and without the likes of us you would not even have the game to play.

This new UI was a needless change to a problem none of us knew existed and were quite happy to use the way it was designed. You think it’s a good idea, that is your prerogative, others who use it have different ideas, it is just not a suitable solution for everyone.
Everyone who plays Eve has their own way of setting up their user space, something the old way was good at, this new UI is trying to force everyone to use their user space the same way.

I know you are a ‘Troll’ and this reply is a waste of my time and effort but I thought your words were ill thought and required rebuttal.

Anyway, fly safe and enjoy you new UI.

"You wait - time passes, Thorin sits down and starts singing about gold." from The Hobbit on ZX Spectrum 1982.