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AFK Cloaking in System is a Terrible Mechanic

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Eso Es
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#161 - 2012-05-21 18:28:45 UTC
Emuar wrote:
whats wrong with you ppl? cant deal with one afk!!! ship? you can cynojam system, you can buble gates, intel chan and so on... and you still whining.. pathetic


Cyno jammers don't stop covert cynos. I feel like Im repeating myself here (because I definately am), its not one afk ship thats the problem, its the threat they represent that is, and its a threat that has NO counter other than dock up and hope it goes away.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#162 - 2012-05-21 18:31:05 UTC
Eso Es wrote:
Emuar wrote:
whats wrong with you ppl? cant deal with one afk!!! ship? you can cynojam system, you can buble gates, intel chan and so on... and you still whining.. pathetic


Cyno jammers don't stop covert cynos. I feel like Im repeating myself here (because I definately am), its not one afk ship thats the problem, its the threat they represent that is, and its a threat that has NO counter other than dock up and hope it goes away.


Or have ships on standby for such an event.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#163 - 2012-05-21 18:33:38 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Eso Es wrote:
Emuar wrote:
whats wrong with you ppl? cant deal with one afk!!! ship? you can cynojam system, you can buble gates, intel chan and so on... and you still whining.. pathetic


Cyno jammers don't stop covert cynos. I feel like Im repeating myself here (because I definately am), its not one afk ship thats the problem, its the threat they represent that is, and its a threat that has NO counter other than dock up and hope it goes away.


Or have ships on standby for such an event.

So, it's about a blob of covert ships jumping through a covops BS bridge?

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Eso Es
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2012-05-21 20:52:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Eso Es
Alavaria Fera wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Eso Es wrote:
Emuar wrote:
whats wrong with you ppl? cant deal with one afk!!! ship? you can cynojam system, you can buble gates, intel chan and so on... and you still whining.. pathetic


Cyno jammers don't stop covert cynos. I feel like Im repeating myself here (because I definately am), its not one afk ship thats the problem, its the threat they represent that is, and its a threat that has NO counter other than dock up and hope it goes away.


Or have ships on standby for such an event.

So, it's about a blob of covert ships jumping through a covops BS bridge?


Its about the 1 guy that has the ability to project this threat and the defenders have no course of action other than to camp the entries to their system 24/7 with insta locking ships to prevent entry of said cloaker. Make cloaking more interactive (specialized probes and/or detection ships), as a compensation to the ganker, remove cloaked pilots from local. I'd be 100% satisfied with this as both the defenders and the attackers have the means and opportunity to achieve their goals.
Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#165 - 2012-05-22 10:50:30 UTC
As I have already mentioned about hiding cloakers from local... That turns cloaks into EZ-mode logoff traps. Logoff traps that still let you see whats on grid to boot, so you know when your prey is in range to strike.
Plentath
Sparkle Motion.
#166 - 2012-05-22 11:55:33 UTC
I live in a WH.

When I get the idea there is an AFK cloaker in system I take precautions. You can never be sure one way or the other whether you're going to get jumped or not.

I am yet to die to one.

Yet apparently, a guy AFK cloaking in nullsec is a cause for OMG LOCKDOWN ALL THE THINGS!! ZOMG!! OH NO!!

Pathetic.

If a guy's name in a list terrifies you then you should really consider going back to highsec, minimising the window, and carrying on with your thing.

I support cloaking devices removing you from local. That way, when you see the name popup in local, you can take all the same precautions that you would otherwise and you know he's at the keys / kill-able.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#167 - 2012-05-22 12:03:46 UTC
Plentath wrote:
I live in a WH.

When I get the idea there is an AFK cloaker in system I take precautions. You can never be sure one way or the other whether you're going to get jumped or not.

I am yet to die to one.

Yet apparently, a guy AFK cloaking in nullsec is a cause for OMG LOCKDOWN ALL THE THINGS!! ZOMG!! OH NO!!

Pathetic.


there's these things called "cynos," maybe you've heard of them?

Plentath wrote:
I support cloaking devices removing you from local. That way, when you see the name popup in local, you can take all the same precautions that you would otherwise and you know he's at the keys / kill-able.


that's a bad idea and you should feel bad

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Kalpel
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#168 - 2012-05-22 12:12:17 UTC
Eso Es wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I like cloaking, I like ganking in WHs, I like breaking gate camps, but to be able to sit afk in someones system cloaked FOR DAYS with no repercussions is just unacceptable. Make cloakers susceptible to combat probes, or really, just do SOMETHING to limit the un-interactiveness of cloak, its a fail mechanic as is. Let the flames begin ^^



I know how you feel and I agree with you, but It is what it is for a reason and that reason is hot drops. Now if people would not rat in systems with a cloaker than most of if not all cloakers wouldn't cloak, but they get easy kills and stop you from ratting and this is why they do what they do.......

Best thing to do is set them up like we use to do with haulers that look like a nice juicy kill, but the hauler was rigged with point, web and a battleship like tank LOL! ahhh the good ol days hehehe

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Luh Windan
green fish hat bang bang
#169 - 2012-05-22 12:23:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Luh Windan
so while afk cloakers are mostly boring and sometimes a mild annoyance to live with it would be nice if there was something you could do to hunt them.

Perhaps something like an EMP pulse module you could discharge for a period in a system that would give them a chance of showing up when you are probing or something?

It shouldn't be over powered: It should show up on d-scan or even the overview so that the cloaky would still know that they were being searched for and have chance to take evasive action - just like if you are safed up you can see probes on the d-scan and know that you need to change your strategy.

It also wouldn't preclude most cloaky activity either - the use of a special module (and you could even have it so the EMP (or whatever) module and the probes have to be on separate ships) would mean that it would only be used specifically when cloaked ships were a threat
Gil Roland
Roma Aeterna
#170 - 2012-05-22 12:28:01 UTC

Remove local from null sec. That way u're not gonna worry anymore about afk cloaked pilots
Rocinantae
State War Academy
Caldari State
#171 - 2012-05-22 12:28:39 UTC
How about having the ability to detect cloaked ships based on sig radius of the cloaked ship. Having cloaking enlarge that sig radius like with micro-warp drives. Then give the ships that are supposed to fit cloaks a bonus to sig radius. They would still have to move around but would be harder to get a drop on using probes. You could also have sig radius grow steadily as a ship is in system unless it warps which would take the ships sig back to its base +/- bonuses. Then if someone afks they're easy picking for a dedicated covops.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#172 - 2012-05-22 12:32:13 UTC
AFK Cloaker = Someone who is AWAY FROM KEYBOARD. Hardly a threat if they aren't even at their computer are they? Please can people stop using this term now?

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Hicksimus
Torgue
#173 - 2012-05-22 12:33:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Hicksimus
Plentath wrote:
I live in a WH.


So have I and there are some things I'd like to remind you of. You don't have to deal with the griefing done by bored players because those bored players are much too lazy to scan most of the time. All of your sites are scanned down, I scan mine down and use my cov ops to make long bookmarks making me even safer(sometimes I even bubble the warp in). AFK cloakers in W-space are not scary because 1)there aren't many and 2)they aren't going to light a cyno for their main and all of his capital/blops buddies who are also bored.

Sure, there are a couple of wormhole griefers, but w-space and deep null are the safest places in EvE.

Between the relatively low price of PLEX and the wormhole/nullsec PvE isk opportunities many players can lock down 5 or 6 systems with these alts all month without their wallets being bothered. Thankfully many of them choose not to or much of nullsec and lowsec would be empty.

Edit: Also, it's a completely risk free on/off switch for pvp since they don't have to be in the corp they light the cyno for you have no idea who's doing it.

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Republic Citizen
#174 - 2012-05-22 12:48:53 UTC
2 topicstarter: Adapt or die.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#175 - 2012-05-22 12:49:48 UTC
Hicksimus wrote:

Sure, there are a couple of wormhole griefers, but w-space and deep null are the safest places in EvE.


Suddenly, a wild K162 appears!

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FluffyDice
Kronos Research
#176 - 2012-05-22 12:49:57 UTC
I wouldn't have a problem with AFK cloaking if titan bridging wasn't a thing. Personally I just move to another system where the cloaker is not though if I want to do anything.
Kast Agnet
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2012-05-22 13:09:28 UTC
Eso Es wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I like cloaking, I like ganking in WHs, I like breaking gate camps, but to be able to sit afk in someones system cloaked FOR DAYS with no repercussions is just unacceptable. Make cloakers susceptible to combat probes, or really, just do SOMETHING to limit the un-interactiveness of cloak, its a fail mechanic as is. Let the flames begin ^^


If they nerf afk pos sitting then you can take my afk cloaking. Until then keep an eye out Blink
Elaine Threepwood
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#178 - 2012-05-22 13:11:48 UTC
Oh look its this thread again.
Marcus Caspius
#179 - 2012-05-22 13:16:24 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
There are only 3 things that worry me about a cloaked ship in system. One is the possibility that this person may not always be afk. Two is that this person may have a point fitted. But third, and most importantly, is the fact this person may have a cyno fitted. Although it is very rare I have had the unfortunate circumstance of observing all 3 probabilities to be true.

Edit: Insert obligatory Schrodinger's Cat joke here.


That is the crux of the matter. I've tanked Stealth Bombers galore - not a problem... in fact if he's a douche you could even kill him, but there is no defence against Superior Hot Drops!

They have initiative, they have numbers, they have all the Intel.

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Alex Sinai
Doomheim
#180 - 2012-05-22 14:21:49 UTC
Every time i see "Remove afk cloaking" thread i laugh. Another pledge for nerf. How many times in gaming history and in CCP history nerfing resulted in lost subscriptions. Nerfing something like cloaking even touching it will result in massive outrage.

You whine about afk cloakers then you whine about afk Titans and then you will whine about pvp. Stop being a loser and start learning how to counter it using in game tools instead of pledging to nerf something that you impotent to counter. There is already placed in game perfect tools for countering afk cloaking. If you cant do that may be High sec is your place or perhaps you fail as commander if you cant organize simple op to squeeze out afk cloakers.

Stop whining and start thinking.

Don't let them fly safe!