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would this be an exploit under the "new" war dec mechanics?
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Lady Aja
#1 - 2012-05-20 23:08:16 UTC
ok here goes.

If i am in a one man corp, I war dec a 4 man corp.
they all drop drop corp. form a new corp same name, ticker, ceo and members just to avoid a war dec..

would that be an exploit under the new mechanics??

as i can see the following happening.

drop alliance.

drop corp

form new corp.

rejoin alliance.
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!!
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#2 - 2012-05-20 23:29:10 UTC
Lady Aja wrote:
ok here goes.

If i am in a one man corp, I war dec a 4 man corp.
they all drop drop corp. form a new corp same name, ticker, ceo and members just to avoid a war dec..

would that be an exploit under the new mechanics??

as i can see the following happening.

drop alliance.

drop corp

form new corp.

rejoin alliance.


I would be guessing 'no' but they would be stuck waiting four days for their standings to catch up to them if they had any POS's. If a POS is not in the picture there isn't a whole lot of point, other than tax evasion.

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Shaampoo
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-05-20 23:58:08 UTC
Lady Aja wrote:
ok here goes.

If i am in a one man corp, I war dec a 4 man corp.
they all drop drop corp. form a new corp same name, ticker, ceo and members just to avoid a war dec..

would that be an exploit under the new mechanics??

as i can see the following happening.

drop alliance.

drop corp

form new corp.

rejoin alliance.


I haven't tested it but I would think the 24 hour cooldown would carry over with each player into the new corp

Giving you time to shoot them.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#4 - 2012-05-20 23:58:38 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
Lady Aja wrote:
ok here goes.

If i am in a one man corp, I war dec a 4 man corp.
they all drop drop corp. form a new corp same name, ticker, ceo and members just to avoid a war dec..

would that be an exploit under the new mechanics??

as i can see the following happening.

drop alliance.

drop corp

form new corp.

rejoin alliance.


I would be guessing 'no' but they would be stuck waiting four days for their standings to catch up to them if they had any POS's. If a POS is not in the picture there isn't a whole lot of point, other than tax evasion.

Doesn't the POS have to be with a corp?

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MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#5 - 2012-05-21 00:15:20 UTC
Yeah, a POS has to be with the corp. If the corp is decced then the POS would need to be taken down, which is a great way to steal a POS (er.. so I've heard Oops ). Anyhow. If they wanted to put up a new POS they would need to wait a few days for the system to catch up with them. This can be complicated by the fact that some members night not have high enough standings to rebuild the crop 'at once'.

Bottom line though is that there is still a mechanic in place to allow people to get out of wars, but they may lose a week of POS production. (and possibly lose their POS if they do something stupid). Basically a wardec will screw up a corp for a week, combat or no combat, but beyond that, well, it hasn't really changed all that much.

Then again, the 50 million isk minimum war dec fee might reduce the number of grief corp combat attempts. Then again, maybe not. The whining is not going away, that is for sure.

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Lady Aja
#6 - 2012-05-21 00:34:37 UTC
I was giving serious consideration to war deccing 4 man isk farmer corps in high sec.

they have a nasty habit of disbanding a corp and reforming under the same corp name etc. all in under 2 minutes.

war dec notice gets sent through.
they finish thier mission..
dock up
leave corp/disband corp
make the same corp
reapply.

carry on as usual.

thanks for the replies and confirming everythign i suspected.
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!!
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-05-21 00:57:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Pok Nibin
You didn't seriously think the OP was going to war dec a corp (or especially alliance, ho ho ho) that has a POS, did you?

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=42269 New war dec parameters. If I have this right, if you are in an alliance with a non-mutual war dec and drop, you are automatically at war anyway. If you're a member of a corp and drop, you can't join another corp for seven days.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Ludi Burek
Bairs
#8 - 2012-05-21 01:09:27 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
You didn't seriously think the OP was going to war dec a corp (or especially alliance, ho ho ho) that has a POS, did you?


I know right! How dare some one want to war dec these isk farmers who probably RMT! It's so dishonorable and shows no space courage in this space jousting simulation game. Roll
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-05-21 01:10:25 UTC
Ludi Burek wrote:
Pok Nibin wrote:
You didn't seriously think the OP was going to war dec a corp (or especially alliance, ho ho ho) that has a POS, did you?


I know right! How dare some one want to war dec these isk farmers who probably RMT! It's so dishonorable and shows no space courage in this space jousting simulation game. Roll
How dare someone war dec a corp that can't fight back. We have only the word of the OP that it's a "RMT" corp. Right.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Ludi Burek
Bairs
#10 - 2012-05-21 01:15:21 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
How dare someone war dec a corp that can't fight back.


Exactly! We've just discovered what's really killing EVE! Attention
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#11 - 2012-05-21 01:32:05 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
You didn't seriously think the OP was going to war dec a corp (or especially alliance, ho ho ho) that has a POS, did you?

http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=42269 New war dec parameters. If I have this right, if you are in an alliance with a non-mutual war dec and drop, you are automatically at war anyway. If you're a member of a corp and drop, you can't join another corp for seven days.


I read it a little differently:

We’ve also implemented a good suggestion from Fanfest, which is that if you leave your corporation while it is engaged in a non-mutual war, then you will not be able to rejoin the corporation until that war ends, or until 7 days pass, whichever comes first.

So a NEW corp would appear to be completely viable.

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Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-21 02:26:47 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
...We’ve also implemented a good suggestion from Fanfest, which is that if you leave your corporation while it is engaged in a non-mutual war, then you will not be able to rejoin the corporation until that war ends, or until 7 days pass, whichever comes first.

So a NEW corp would appear to be completely viable.

Thank-you for the correction. Blink

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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-05-21 03:30:11 UTC
GTFO of highsec? Problem solved, no need to worry about wardecs, ***** when people hop, complain about neuts you name it since it no longer applies as a wardec isn't needed. Want to stay in highsec along with your target, you deserve to deal with all the annoyances they bring to the table. end result, you don't need to change anything about wardecs and CCP could of spent more time and resources allocated to WoD or DUST except you all got 20% of their staff fired (too soon? Oops) for being whiney babies who can't cope and adapt.
Lady Aja
#14 - 2012-05-21 04:41:54 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
GTFO of highsec? Problem solved, no need to worry about wardecs, ***** when people hop, complain about neuts you name it since it no longer applies as a wardec isn't needed. Want to stay in highsec along with your target, you deserve to deal with all the annoyances they bring to the table. end result, you don't need to change anything about wardecs and CCP could of spent more time and resources allocated to WoD or DUST except you all got 20% of their staff fired (too soon? Oops) for being whiney babies who can't cope and adapt.



this is what null sec means to me... constant CTA's, Mandatory roams, awoxers, blob's and hot drops, blue corps with alt corps that attack blues ( another form of awoxing ).
more fun living in a wh and thats pretty darn boring imo.

so i dont have to put up with that bullshit lol
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!!
Messoroz
AQUILA INC
#15 - 2012-05-21 06:08:32 UTC
Lady Aja wrote:
Aqriue wrote:
GTFO of highsec? Problem solved, no need to worry about wardecs, ***** when people hop, complain about neuts you name it since it no longer applies as a wardec isn't needed. Want to stay in highsec along with your target, you deserve to deal with all the annoyances they bring to the table. end result, you don't need to change anything about wardecs and CCP could of spent more time and resources allocated to WoD or DUST except you all got 20% of their staff fired (too soon? Oops) for being whiney babies who can't cope and adapt.



this is what null sec means to me... constant CTA's, Mandatory roams, awoxers, blob's and hot drops, blue corps with alt corps that attack blues ( another form of awoxing ).
more fun living in a wh and thats pretty darn boring imo.

so i dont have to put up with that bullshit lol


I can't believe people have these misconceptions about nullsec..
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-05-21 06:25:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Lady Aja wrote:
Aqriue wrote:
GTFO of highsec? Problem solved, no need to worry about wardecs, ***** when people hop, complain about neuts you name it since it no longer applies as a wardec isn't needed. Want to stay in highsec along with your target, you deserve to deal with all the annoyances they bring to the table. end result, you don't need to change anything about wardecs and CCP could of spent more time and resources allocated to WoD or DUST except you all got 20% of their staff fired (too soon? Oops) for being whiney babies who can't cope and adapt.



this is what null sec means to me... constant CTA's, Mandatory roams, awoxers, blob's and hot drops, blue corps with alt corps that attack blues ( another form of awoxing ).
more fun living in a wh and thats pretty darn boring imo.

so i dont have to put up with that bullshit lol


You have either been in a really ****** alliance (cba to check), or you've never been in nullsec yourself and only go by what you hear from the forum trolls.

To the OP, no, not an exploit, working as intended. If forcing your target to completely disband is not a victory in war, then what is?
Lady Aja
#17 - 2012-05-21 09:46:32 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Lady Aja wrote:
Aqriue wrote:
GTFO of highsec? Problem solved, no need to worry about wardecs, ***** when people hop, complain about neuts you name it since it no longer applies as a wardec isn't needed. Want to stay in highsec along with your target, you deserve to deal with all the annoyances they bring to the table. end result, you don't need to change anything about wardecs and CCP could of spent more time and resources allocated to WoD or DUST except you all got 20% of their staff fired (too soon? Oops) for being whiney babies who can't cope and adapt.



this is what null sec means to me... constant CTA's, Mandatory roams, awoxers, blob's and hot drops, blue corps with alt corps that attack blues ( another form of awoxing ).
more fun living in a wh and thats pretty darn boring imo.

so i dont have to put up with that bullshit lol


You have either been in a really ****** alliance (cba to check), or you've never been in nullsec yourself and only go by what you hear from the forum trolls.

To the OP, no, not an exploit, working as intended. If forcing your target to completely disband is not a victory in war, then what is?



best victory i ever got from isk farmers was a 1.5b isk ransom and a petition to cover my corps ass, and about a week later the entire corp of 53+ isk farmers got perma banned. they are still in that same corp too :) victory.
where is my ability to link a sig properly CCP you munters!!