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CCP employees must be removed from the game.

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Cutout Man
Doomheim
#441 - 2012-05-10 15:55:39 UTC
Bayushi Tamago wrote:
Players who become employees get their characters banned from the game, especially when they are coming from nullsec alliances...

How EXACTLY would anyone but the player know who all of his characters were? Dynamic IP, cleared caches, anonymous payment sources, etc would prevent that. More to the point, it doesn't stop anyone from starting up a new character. Nor does it stop someone from chatting on comms or the thousand other communication methods available to them.

So suck it up and learn to think logically.
Jessie42
Eighty Joule Brewery
Goonswarm Federation
#442 - 2012-05-10 16:01:33 UTC
So where do you guys get your tinfoil from?

Do you purchase it in bulk?
CCP Arkanon
C C P
#443 - 2012-05-10 16:10:32 UTC
Bayushi Tamago wrote:
Stop being so damn butthurt.

Players who become employees get their characters banned from the game, especially when they are coming from nullsec alliances to prevent things like BoB getting t2 BPOs from happening again. This policy was pushed really hard by goons. So suck it up and l2play


Nope, that policy was put in place by me, without any outside interference.


Cutout Man wrote:
Bayushi Tamago wrote:
Players who become employees get their characters banned from the game, especially when they are coming from nullsec alliances...

How EXACTLY would anyone but the player know who all of his characters were? Dynamic IP, cleared caches, anonymous payment sources, etc would prevent that. More to the point, it doesn't stop anyone from starting up a new character. Nor does it stop someone from chatting on comms or the thousand other communication methods available to them.

So suck it up and learn to think logically.


You're describing someone actively seeking to sabotage CCP, even in the hiring process. You're right that it would be hard to catch someone willing to jump through secret service level hoops to hide from us, but I'm confident we would catch them eventually.

And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found.

CCP Arkanon - Internal Affairs
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#444 - 2012-05-10 16:20:04 UTC
CCP Arkanon wrote:
And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found.

how would you know about those that are out there (and are good at what they do)? P

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CCP Arkanon
C C P
#445 - 2012-05-10 16:22:21 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
CCP Arkanon wrote:
And then there would be no question of that person's guilt, seeing as they've exhibited malicious intent from the get go, thereby sacrificing their career both with CCP and probably within the MMO industry as a whole. There really aren't that many people out there that think this is a good idea, I've found.

how would you know about those that are out there (and are good at what they do)? P


gut feeling?

CCP Arkanon - Internal Affairs
Jessie42
Eighty Joule Brewery
Goonswarm Federation
#446 - 2012-05-10 16:26:33 UTC
It's okay, CCP Arkanon. You can let everyone know that you're really a Deep Cover Goon Spy.

Your secret will be safe with us, I assure you.
Qui Wye
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#447 - 2012-05-10 16:28:06 UTC
If you work for a casino; you (and your direct relatives) are not allowed to gamble (in any casino for that matter),
If you work for a lottery; your entire family is excluded from participating,
You get my point ;)

But yes; I have to agree that CCP cannot make a balanced game without employees playing it!

Possible solutions;
Have an anti-fraud team checking on CCP employees and firing them on the spot if they abuse their position in any way.
Reward every other player outside of the "benefiting" alliance if any CCP employee screws up.
And exclude CCP employees from any key position in any alliance, or simply have a CCP only corp which isn't allowed to make pacts with anyone and is always free to KOS.

Then again; look at the game now, I don't think it could be more unbalanced anyway...
Titans galore, which was never intended in the first place.
Alliances have endless amounts of money, and with endless I mean: Enough to subscribe through PLEX for 100 lifetimes!
Etc. Etc.

I say; make a money cap, account per IP cap, reduce characters per account to 2, and give all the access ISK to me xD
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#448 - 2012-05-10 16:29:37 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:


True enough, to conquer does generally involve some warfare though, even if it was poorly executed by the conquered.


Many conquered had great technique.

But, there isn't really any strategy though for sheer overwhelming numbers.

Just ask Austrailians about rabbits.............

its odd to me how many aspies don't seem to think "being able to get people to work with you" is a vital tactical skill

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#449 - 2012-05-10 16:32:12 UTC
To OP:

Standard whine from whiners like you when you are whining is usually that "Do you even play the game?" (trying to suggest that CCP are clueless about EVE). And now you whine about CCP playing the game?

Give me a break and stop posting.

Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.  Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#450 - 2012-05-10 16:33:28 UTC
Qui Wye wrote:
Have an anti-fraud team checking on CCP employees and firing them on the spot if they abuse their position in any way.


Have I got some good news for you. I called up CCP and since I asked so nicely they went back in time and implemented it a few years ago for me.
Qui Wye
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#451 - 2012-05-10 16:42:02 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Qui Wye wrote:
Have an anti-fraud team checking on CCP employees and firing them on the spot if they abuse their position in any way.


Have I got some good news for you. I called up CCP and since I asked so nicely they went back in time and implemented it a few years ago for me.


I knowz, but who checks them?
So we need a team that supervises them.
and one that supervises the supervisors.
and ...

Anyways; I know that team is there, but how effective are they actually? ;)
I mean; if I'd be working for CCP and knew there was a change coming up, I could suggest it in an alliance forum and how on earth will you trace it back...

I still believe CCP employees are dangerous for the game, they fly around in those lesser race Jovian ships, transporting space-kitties infected with space-aids and they just go "selfdestruct" to infect us all :'(

Paranoid? Me? When? xD
Caples
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#452 - 2012-05-10 17:01:06 UTC
I question your intelligence when you're asking CCP not to use its own product.

Goons are the best allies you could possibly have. And they're great people. I don't know what you're talking about with them being bad guys. It's been a absolute delight talking to them and getting to know them. Gentlemen and scholars.

If they're really that much of a problem then why don't you leet-PvP'ers and dirty, neck-bearded troglodyte pubbies band together and wipe the CFC from the map? I'm sure they're easy for all of you to roll over.
Zmaster BloodLust
BloodLust Enterprises
Amarr Locals Alliance.
#453 - 2012-05-10 17:02:28 UTC
WoW!! (no i dont mean World of Warcraft!)... I dont know if i should laugh or cry with this whole topic...

On one hand.. we got Scrubs crying about the CFC... on the other hand we got CCP DEV's defending CCP "Honor" and even using their alts to do so (Yes i spoted ya...)

This is realy funny... to say the least!

*Sits back, grabs a bag of popcorns and watches the show!*


Regards, Z
Barkaial Starfinder
Brazilian Vultures
Ferrata Victrix
#454 - 2012-05-10 17:07:43 UTC
Lol Arkanon
I like your style Lol
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#455 - 2012-05-10 17:10:00 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I seem to recall BOB denying it with equal fervor.
History repeats I guess.


Yup. THEY didnt IM CCP when ppl shot at them tho; thats a new one

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#456 - 2012-05-10 17:11:49 UTC
I hope that people realize that while to us Eve is a game, to those who work at CCP its a job and what pays their bills. After T20 I highly doubt many Devs would risk going to great lengths to manipulate the game in their favor at the risk of their job.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#457 - 2012-05-10 17:12:17 UTC
Qui Wye wrote:
I knowz, but who checks them?
So we need a team that supervises them.
and one that supervises the supervisors.
and ...


Presumably they check each other.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#458 - 2012-05-10 17:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
CCP Sreegs wrote:


I believe the proper reply here is to inform you that no we do not expect you to have magical powers to detect developers playing within alliances. Nobody ever stated such. That is audited by IA. What we do expect is that if you are going to make allegations you have some basis for making them.



Ah, you mean like kugutsumen?

Or should I say Kugu since even his name is still banned from the forums six years later.
Cause youre SO interested in those facts

Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I hope that people realize that while to us Eve is a game, to those who work at CCP its a job and what pays their bills. After T20 I highly doubt many Devs would risk going to great lengths to manipulate the game in their favor at the risk of their job.



What RISK?
Did they break that Icelandic law and fire him after it died down?

Edit: Hi, little Goon red bar, I see you - see Ive seen Goons do little more than troll without reprecussions so Ive decided to ban them from at least my sight

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#459 - 2012-05-10 17:13:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
I seem to recall BOB denying it with equal fervor.
History repeats I guess.


Yup. THEY didnt IM CCP when ppl shot at them tho; thats a new one


Say hello to my little friend, the stuck petition.

Also, it's funny that every single person accusing CCP is malfeasance here is upset at them over some issue, whether it's nerfed gun mining. Or in Sigurd's case the data core changes. (ie: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1269052#post1269052)

Rage on you crazy man.
Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#460 - 2012-05-10 17:14:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrey Wartooth
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:


I believe the proper reply here is to inform you that no we do not expect you to have magical powers to detect developers playing within alliances. Nobody ever stated such. That is audited by IA. What we do expect is that if you are going to make allegations you have some basis for making them.



Ah, you mean like **********?

Or should I say Kugu since even his name is still banned from the forums six years later.
Cause youre SO interested in those facts

Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I hope that people realize that while to us Eve is a game, to those who work at CCP its a job and what pays their bills. After T20 I highly doubt many Devs would risk going to great lengths to manipulate the game in their favor at the risk of their job.



What RISK?
Did they break that Icelandic law and fire him after it died down?


Guess which side of that whole thing Darius Johnson was on.

Hint: It wasn't T20's side.

Sig, what would happen if I went on a forum owned by the company you work for and started having everyone post untrue insinuations that you were giving away free product or product that was never intended for customers? Do you think you would get fired? If you got fired, do you think you would ever work in that or any other industry ever again?

YOU AND ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH REAL PEOPLES LIVES AND FAMILIES HERE. Are you all literally this insane that you would ruin people based on a hunch with no evidence?