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Use it for all of 2 MINUTES and obvious is obvious in this case.

Major server update yesterday and NO CHANGES at all were based on what is posted here.

It's like some kind of sick joke that never stops being told.

Yes. It is no longer possible to set up a workspace that has predetermined slots for different item locations. Instead, you have to go through the shift-click or scroll-click-scroll-click-scroll…[etc] every time. You can no longer set up a collection of windows to have immediate access to a large array of different cargo holds. Instead, you have to dig down through the tree structure (with inconsistent inputs to boot) to get to some of them. Go back a few pages and you'll find a comparison between old and new — the new is horribly inefficient in comparison.

Any attempt to open a single container in a single window requires more clicks, because the functionality to open them in a predetermined slot is lost — I must go through the tree view (which inherently means more clicks) rather than just click on the “open” button, because the latter will reset all my windows (and thus require me to set them up again, which means more clicks).

Any attempt at having more than one item location in view at once requires more clicks, because you cannot reliably set up the collection of windows you want and have them stay that way — they will either be reset with little warning (requiring you to set them up to show the right thing again), or they will require constant shift-clicking to recreate that collection (which, beyond the shift-clicking requires a ton of redundant window dragging since the positions for those new windows aren't saved).

…and that's very nice for you. Some of us need something a bit more involved which gives us better overview of our stuff. This new system does not allow for that. Oh, and POS management is one of the things where the new system really falls apart, by the way, since there are so many different item locations and all of them will try to reset your setup when you open them.

No, cursing it beforehand is mandatory, because we can already see the myriad of problems that will arise; not doing so would be downright retarded— once the team has delivered this product and not actually finished it, it will be hellahard to get it back on the agenda and have the thing fixed and we'll be left with a broken UI for another year. Being new isn't a factor because it takes zero time to discover the issues. Now, when there are still devs assigned to creating it, is the exactly right time to explain everything that is wrong with it. Yes, new problems will arise once it goes live and everyone's edge-cases get thrown into the mix, but the current iteration doesn't even stand up to five minutes of casual, every-day use.

Man, you are realy just talk blabla.

We dont see it this inventory, we tried, that's very different thing.
We dont panic just we dont want to use bad inventory system which is worsen than old system.

This treewindowsinventorysystem is functionalty zero. Need much more clicks than before. The mergedInventory messed everything, and need old function (shift+click) for working fine or need to set filters everytime when the inventory items changed. If this crapinventorysystem is good just what you told, why need the old function such a multiwindows feature ?
Why using peoples total/norton/midnight etc multiwindows manager if the single tree panel filemanager is fine ? Because that's sux and the other managers is better and easier to use it.

Just trying to use transfer items between a container to cargohold and back: "You click to cargohold and container inventory is dissapearing, when you want to transfer back from container to cargohold you need another click to cargohold and voi'la now the inventory will dissapearing and need searching on the treepanel where it is. We needto use the old function for easy transfer (shift+click) to treepanel, but pls tell to us if we need to use the old functions for easy transfer between multiple windows, why need the new one ?

Without multipanel this new inventory system unuseable, hard to handling and need extra clicks which is slowing down the transfer between inventories.
And other things merged ships with own dronebays and ammos + other modules it's fail.
Ship bays/Ship hangars is not a simple inventory, merged with simple inverntory modules another fail too.

The ship docking to shiphangars not to inventory, i dont understand CCP why removed from station the Shiphangar icon. Because that's easier to handling, when the ships is separated from other modules and items ? The "ShipInventoryBay" is LOL.

Wtf? Windows explorer works exactly like old inventory: to sort in many locations in the same time you have to open, resize and place on the screen many different windows.
Total commander is NOT multiwindowed, it's a split window.


To move an item from A to B you don't need to open first A then B, it's enough to select items in A and drag&drop them to B's line in the tree (without actually switching to it). And you can Ctrl+x items from A, switch to C, select items, move them to B with switching to it, and Ctrl+v previously 'cut out' items from A. Number of actions in the new system is approximately them same as in the old one, but it takes much less space on the screen (most of people would prefer 'clean' screen instead of one covered with windows). The only little inconvenience you may face is that usually you won't see contents of target container. So you should ask Devs for possibility to create something like container profiles (better even name-sensitive) to let you keep some of them always separate, instead of complaining about existing features. To suggest something is better than just to negate.
Your area of concern regarding new inventory UI makes me think that your EVE is endless and cycled moving/sorting of countless items between containers. Jita trader?

What do you talk about ? The old system was same like Windows Explorer ??? Man, open your eyes and use it. The new system same like Windows Explorer and not the old one. The old was multiwindows system and the new is a treepanel + a location panel.

When someone clicking to treepanel he will got same location at right panel. This is same like Windows Explorer working.

In the old system you got different locations from two different windows as the TC is working.

Move item for new inventory just a drag and drop from A to B ? Really ? Did you see when the tree panel is very long and need to find a treefolder ??? The easy way if someone open another windows to another location (shift+click), but that's same as the old inventory system is worked.
So, do you just talk blabla again. And other thing dont speak from just one miniprofession, for the inventory system
it is necessary to be suitable to all profession not just for Jita trader, but for POS manager, looter/salvager, corporation hangar manager, for fighters who want to loot or using items in the battles fast, for the miners who transfer minerals to ship to cargo containers etc. But this inventory system is a crap for all, in this developing phase.

The complete lack of CCP responces in this thread after the first day the blog came out is dissappointing and gives me an eerie feeling that team Game of Drones have "completed their task and moved on", and that the new inventory system will be forced upon us with it's flaws, regardless of what we think.


PS, There is a monument in Amarr that's not wrecked yet

Yea... latest couple comments about this feature you can found from this thread. Apparently they are (at least pretending to) doing some user testing now, which I personally find kind of funny. With all the feedback they have it should give quite clear indication what went wrong and clear knowledge that such testing should have been done long before any code was written.

I'm hitting the same wall as when they idiotically took away the parenthesis around stargates on the Overview.

Like that, I have a feeling we are just spinning our wheels here.

They are going to do what they are going to do.

As someone stated above, I hope someone's boss was at least impressed, as we are not.

I never thought my simple cargohold, of all things, would become tied up in a cumbersome mechanic.

Never. What WILL they think of next ???

The irony :)

Now if you want to see something really funny, check this post out from end of january.