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CCP employees must be removed from the game.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#401 - 2012-05-10 03:56:38 UTC
So, don't play EVE OP.


And can I have your stuff?
Vxrasa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#402 - 2012-05-10 04:50:48 UTC
Ejit wrote:
There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.

Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.

And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.



You are literally so stupid that I lack the mental faculties to properly process your retardation. You have literally broken my brain with your stupidity. You sir, are a god among plebeians.

Shrike was Sir Molle's alt, Sir Molle is not a dev Roll
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#403 - 2012-05-10 05:12:18 UTC
Vxrasa wrote:
Ejit wrote:
There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.

Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.

And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.



You are literally so stupid that I lack the mental faculties to properly process your retardation. You have literally broken my brain with your stupidity. You sir, are a god among plebeians.

Shrike was Sir Molle's alt, Sir Molle is not a dev Roll


Oh jeez, I didn't even notice him saying that. I just assumed he was talking about devs saving molles titan every time it got tackled but in his own brand of mangled english.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#404 - 2012-05-10 05:16:16 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Vxrasa wrote:
Ejit wrote:
There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.

Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.

And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.



You are literally so stupid that I lack the mental faculties to properly process your retardation. You have literally broken my brain with your stupidity. You sir, are a god among plebeians.

Shrike was Sir Molle's alt, Sir Molle is not a dev Roll


Oh jeez, I didn't even notice him saying that. I just assumed he was talking about devs saving molles titan every time it got tackled but in his own brand of mangled english.

Pppffttt, that's right. Shrike was SirMolle's titan alt... ugh, thanks for catching that.

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#405 - 2012-05-10 05:22:35 UTC
No wonder they hate NPC Corp alts so much. :smh:

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Lucius Chernikova
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#406 - 2012-05-10 05:48:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucius Chernikova
Tippia wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Absolutely.

Dev corpses = best corpses.
…not to mention dev wrecks with special dev equipment loot = best wrecks and loot. Blink


I host and develop for my own tiny non-eve server on my free-time. As a developer, reading this thread concerns me, because playing developers is always a fine line.
I feel that having developers play is an essential part of the development experience. Some games separate that with a test server, but for eve that's not really viable.

When I play my own game, I go with 100% legitimacy and transparency (IE: I make the character the same way a player would, grind it up, and work it. For devs here I suppose they could set account "research time" for how long they've been working here, or keep prior accounts if they had one, maybe start with one BS or lower class ship with "normal" rigging), absolutely >NO< spawned items, and for my server, I implemented a tool to allow players to brown-nose my characters (which I am 100% clear and transparent are mine), if they so pleased. Players see what i'm doing and what i'm making items-wise on my real character, but it's not a huge problem overall, just makes things a little more challenging if I play (balances dev-knowledge a little, if anything), and re-assures people there is no "dev loot" to be had, and all of what my characters have is 'real'.

If i'm just testing something, I use a separate Non-active char (no guild(corp), can't interact with players in any way, just to make sure "X" quest works and whatnot.) Obviously I would never reboot the servers or kick players/etc for my 'real' account's benefit.

I feel if the Devs here are running 100% illegitimate characters with spawned items there may well be an issue worth looking into, and maybe setting some *ADDITIONAL* and public rules for. I find it >INCREDIBLY< unlikely that a game like this doesn't have logs for GM actions (IE: kicks, spawned items, created characters, etc), and it might be worthwhile to have those public (I have one and it has little commentary about what an item's for if I spawn it on a non level 0 immortal GM character- takes me an extra second or so), or at least to have the logs monitored by someone impartial.

Just my 2c.
Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#407 - 2012-05-10 05:53:50 UTC
Lucius Chernikova wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
Absolutely.

Dev corpses = best corpses.
…not to mention dev wrecks with special dev equipment loot = best wrecks and loot. Blink


I host and develop for my own tiny non-eve server on my free-time. As a developer, reading this thread concerns me, because playing developers is always a fine line.
I feel that having developers play is an essential part of the development experience. Some games separate that with a test server, but for eve that's not really viable.

When I play my own game, I go with 100% legitimacy and transparency (IE: I make the character the same way a player would, grind it up, and work it. For devs here I suppose they could set account "research time" for how long they've been working here, or keep prior accounts if they had one, maybe start with one BS or lower class ship with "normal" rigging), absolutely >NO< spawned items, and for my server, I implemented a tool to allow players to brown-nose my characters (which I am 100% clear and transparent are mine), if they so pleased. Players see what i'm doing and what i'm making items-wise on my real character, but it's not a huge problem overall, just makes things a little more challenging if I play (balances dev-knowledge a little, if anything), and re-assures people there is no "dev loot" to be had, and all of what my characters have is 'real'.

If i'm just testing something, I use a separate Non-active char (no guild(corp), can't interact with players in any way, just to make sure "X" quest works and whatnot.) Obviously I would never reboot the servers or kick players/etc for my 'real' account's benefit.

I feel if the Devs here are running 100% illegitimate characters with spawned items there may well be an issue worth looking into, and maybe setting some *ADDITIONAL* and public rules for. I find it >INCREDIBLY< unlikely that a game like this doesn't have logs for GM actions (IE: kicks, spawned items, created characters, etc), and it might be worthwhile to have those public (I have one and it has little commentary about what an item's for if I spawn it on a non level 0 immortal GM character- takes me an extra second or so), or at least to have the logs monitored by someone impartial.

Just my 2c.


The Dev characters that don't have CCP in front of them play the game just like everyone else does. The only thing they do get is a lifetime sub to the game.

Now, the characters with CCP in front of them, those are the characters that use special ships and everything, but they aren't really used for competitions and stuff, they're mostly there to keep the peace in certain situations, or to just observe goings on or whatever.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#408 - 2012-05-10 06:00:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Malcanis wrote:
Malphilos wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:

I certainly wouldn't make an accusatory thread based on those "gut" feelings in a place of record either, ...


There used to be all kinds of griping and slander around here about devs in BoB that was nothing but gut feeling until one day, tada!

That may even be why there's an internal affairs thingy now. Hard to say.



Except it wasn't just gut feeling, it was evidence.

which is why CCP threatened to sue unless goons stop the unfounded slander/libel

Quote:
Claims that the goal of this effort was to expose corruption within the company cannot be taken seriously. They are simply a smokescreen intended to mobilize and use the EVE community against CCP. There is no evidence to support the claim of information sent to CCP concerning internal corruption and wrongdoings on the part of our employees is being systematically suppressed.

The fact that this attack took place over a holiday weekend was especially revealing of motive, which we believe was specifically by design to ensure that CCP would not be able to react as fast and efficiently as we would under normal circumstances. The allegations investigated above by this internal affairs department will also be examined by our legal resources, as we do not intend to sit idly by while our servers, community and reputation are under attack.

(this devblog was written due to a massive social media campaign against CCP initiated by The Mittani, unrelated to the t20 incident which had been revealed half a year earlier)

anyways, if Sreegs did make unfounded accusations against devs he did so on alts - I think it's notable to point out that even during his CSM campaigning he stayed entirely clear of making "fight dev favoritism" or anything along these lines one of his talking points.

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Vulix
Doomheim
#409 - 2012-05-10 07:59:02 UTC
this thread sucks
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Goonswarm Federation
#410 - 2012-05-10 08:35:22 UTC
Vulix wrote:
this thread sucks



NOooooooooooo
I didn't had so mutch fun with this thin foil hat stuff since last week.

let me add more wood to this fire, its time to tell everyone the truth, they have found the SECRET...

yes, its true, The Mitanni is a CCP dev.

All members of the CFC are CCP devs.

CCP = CFC = CCP = CFC
(can you see the resemblance)

Lol
Jace Errata
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#411 - 2012-05-10 08:58:04 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:

anyways, if Sreegs did make unfounded accusations against devs he did so on alts - I think it's notable to point out that even during his CSM campaigning he stayed entirely clear of making "fight dev favoritism" or anything along these lines one of his talking points.

Wait what

(I support CCP Sreegs for CSM8)

tweeten

One day they woke me up so I could live forever

It's such a shame the same will never happen to you
Josef Djugashvilis
#412 - 2012-05-10 09:20:53 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
CCP Arkanon wrote:
As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is internalaffairs@ccpgames.com

That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on.


Um, yeah, it's really easy to detect a dev, playing on an alt, in the game. *rolls eyes*

Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?

You're not suggesting that the folks who directly benefit from a dev's presence report him, right? That's kinda like expecting a stock broker to report his client who just fed him insider information.


Actually, as low down as I am in the Eve food chain, if any Dev were to offer or enable me to gain an unfair adavantage ingame, I would report it as fast as I can type.

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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#413 - 2012-05-10 10:07:46 UTC
I unironically believe every single CCP employee that is working on the Eve product should be required to play the **** out of this game. I loved it when I'd get a dev in our summits who would own the **** out of one of us on details about how the game worked.

It was even more awesome when it was John Lander.
Ltd SpacePig
No.Mercy
Triumvirate.
#414 - 2012-05-10 10:26:03 UTC
Some people can't accept that they are **** at this game and being stupid so they have to blame CCP or other players for them being so bad. It most be some kind of dev conspiracy because it can't be me being so dumb right? If you get scammed by goons then you are dumb or being a n00b. Get over it and get on with your game or go back to play Pink Ponys online or something.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#415 - 2012-05-10 11:05:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Jace Errata wrote:
Vera Algaert wrote:

anyways, if Sreegs did make unfounded accusations against devs he did so on alts - I think it's notable to point out that even during his CSM campaigning he stayed entirely clear of making "fight dev favoritism" or anything along these lines one of his talking points.

Wait what

(I support CCP Sreegs for CSM8)

he was on CSM 1 and 2

(for CCP to hire you, CCP has to get to know you first - CSM is not only a great PR stunt, it's also an assessment center Twisted)

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Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#416 - 2012-05-10 11:26:52 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:


Actually, as low down as I am in the Eve food chain, if any Dev were to offer or enable me to gain an unfair adavantage ingame, I would report it as fast as I can type.


How un-Goon-like of you.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#417 - 2012-05-10 11:27:40 UTC
Ltd SpacePig wrote:
Some people can't accept that they are **** at this game and being stupid so they have to blame CCP or other players for them being so bad. It most be some kind of dev conspiracy because it can't be me being so dumb right? If you get scammed by goons then you are dumb or being a n00b. Get over it and get on with your game or go back to play Pink Ponys online or something.



Now, I'VE heard of mincing, but this is the definition !

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#418 - 2012-05-10 11:33:04 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Malphilos wrote:

Proves nothing except that the shoe, once placed on the other foot, seems a bit uncomfortable.


You seem to think that you are attacking GSF here, but you're attacking CCP.


Actually, it's you who seems to think I'm "attacking" GSF. I'm sure you have your reasons.

On the other hand I'm sure you don't actually think this is about CCP, as they haven't shown any discomfort. Their appropriate and professional response came quite early in the discussion, essentially:

"We have a procedure for dealing with this. If you have evidence here's the contact info."

Simple, professional, and done.

All of the discomfort (or "butthurt" if you prefer the vernacular) seems to be coming from other quarters.

Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#419 - 2012-05-10 11:37:25 UTC
Malphilos wrote:


All of the discomfort (or "butthurt" if you prefer the vernacular) seems to be coming from other quarters.



You rang ?

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#420 - 2012-05-10 11:40:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Tanya Powers
Quote:
CCP employees must be removed from the game


NOES !

As much as I like to think those (some) are the first to exploit every possible game mechanic and this shouldn't be the case, they're players like everyone else and makes them closer to the community, witch is good for us even if when something must be done is with ass kicks like last year.

I'd rather like to see them more active in game but this isn't easy for obvious reasons.

Edit because I like it: and what the heck CCP has something to do with Goonswarm? -do you even know what goonswarm, goonwaffe, goonswarm federation, goonswarm alliance and CFC is?

Do your homework first (me too, I guess I forgot something on purpose)