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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#381 - 2012-05-10 00:24:13 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Malphilos wrote:

Proves nothing except that the shoe, once placed on the other foot, seems a bit uncomfortable.


You seem to think that you are attacking GSF here, but you're attacking CCP.

The only reason I'm posting at all is that I'm coming out to bat for 'the new CCP' that has tried hard to redeem themselves since the failure that was Incarna. If you think that this thread is making 'GSF' feel uncomfortable, then you're ignoring all the much worse things we've been called over the years.

Your corp betrays your true nature, evil goonie.

Should've used an NPC corp alt, I hear they're the rage on the forums.

P.S. Yeah it's amusing more than anything else to me anyway.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#382 - 2012-05-10 00:28:03 UTC
ModeratedToSilence wrote:
Read Op. Read pages 1-4, laughed at how quickly thread was derailed to be about one group of players decided to post my views without reading any more hopla. If this idea/concept has already been placed in this thread please forgive me.

I believe that every major alliance should have a CCP "spy". This "spy" would be a CCP employee who would contact the CEO of the alliance and then be accepted as a bottom line member. The Alliance CEO would be subject to an NDA with breach of the NDA resulting in the Alliance being disbanded.

This would grant CCP:
Eyes and ears on what game play is really like.
The ability to see game bugs and exploits earlier than is currently possible.
Make live increasingly difficult for any alliance member who has ties with other CCP employees, (eg CSM members, CCP employees, etc etc) to influence the game purely for the benefit of their own alliance.



The thing is that Internal Affairs can already gather much more reliable information directly from the database than they could ever get from a bottom line member. If IA aren't monitoring large alliances to vet their large isk transactions and valuble asset transfers then they're missing a huge opportunity.

PS: CSM members are players, not CCP employees.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#383 - 2012-05-10 00:31:30 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
ModeratedToSilence wrote:
Read Op. Read pages 1-4, laughed at how quickly thread was derailed to be about one group of players decided to post my views without reading any more hopla. If this idea/concept has already been placed in this thread please forgive me.

I believe that every major alliance should have a CCP "spy". This "spy" would be a CCP employee who would contact the CEO of the alliance and then be accepted as a bottom line member. The Alliance CEO would be subject to an NDA with breach of the NDA resulting in the Alliance being disbanded.

This would grant CCP:
Eyes and ears on what game play is really like.
The ability to see game bugs and exploits earlier than is currently possible.
Make live increasingly difficult for any alliance member who has ties with other CCP employees, (eg CSM members, CCP employees, etc etc) to influence the game purely for the benefit of their own alliance.



The thing is that Internal Affairs can already gather much more reliable information directly from the database than they could ever get from a bottom line member. If IA aren't monitoring large alliances to vet their large isk transactions and valuble asset transfers then they're missing a huge opportunity.

PS: CSM members are players, not CCP employees.

But it would be pretty amusing if one of them got purged by say Vio for being a spy for someone, maybe they wouldn't know for who, but meh...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#384 - 2012-05-10 00:46:02 UTC
CCP Arkanon wrote:
As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is internalaffairs@ccpgames.com

That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on.


Um, yeah, it's really easy to detect a dev, playing on an alt, in the game. *rolls eyes*

Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?

You're not suggesting that the folks who directly benefit from a dev's presence report him, right? That's kinda like expecting a stock broker to report his client who just fed him insider information.

Don't ban me, bro!
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#385 - 2012-05-10 00:48:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Mr Kidd wrote:
Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?


Are you high? Do you really think that devs being forced to play with dev tags on would somehow lead to less people seeking 'dev favours' than devs being forced to play on totally anonymous alts without ties to any alliance leadership.

That suggests a total lack of understanding of human nature right there.

CCP knows who the dev alts are, and I would expect that every aspect of their gameplay is being constantly scrutinised by Internal Affairs. What possible benefit could your proposal add over that?
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#386 - 2012-05-10 00:52:41 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Sreegs
Mr Kidd wrote:
CCP Arkanon wrote:
As before, any suspicion of developer misconduct can be reported to Internal Affairs via email or petition. Our email is internalaffairs@ccpgames.com

That said, please note that we'll need something to go on, an event or character to look into. It's too common that we receive complaints which are based on a gut feeling, that can't be followed up on.


Um, yeah, it's really easy to detect a dev, playing on an alt, in the game. *rolls eyes*

Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?

You're not suggesting that the folks who directly benefit from a dev's presence report him, right? That's kinda like expecting a stock broker to report his client who just fed him insider information.


I believe the proper reply here is to inform you that no we do not expect you to have magical powers to detect developers playing within alliances. Nobody ever stated such. That is audited by IA. What we do expect is that if you are going to make allegations you have some basis for making them.

:edit: And by basis we presume actual real activity or such to point at not the findings of your local tarot card reader or your own psychic gifts.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#387 - 2012-05-10 00:52:45 UTC
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?


Are you high? Do you really think that devs being forced to play with dev tags on would somehow lead to less people seeking 'dev favours' than devs being forced to play on totally anonymous alts without ties to any alliance leadership.

That suggests a total lack of understanding of human nature right there.

CCP knows who the dev alts are, and I would expect that every aspect of their gameplay is being constantly scrutinised by Internal Affairs. What possible benefit could your proposal add over that?


It's called voice chat.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#388 - 2012-05-10 00:54:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
It's called voice chat.


Could you elaborate on that a bit? I know what voice chat is called already.

I wouldn't want to be accused of constructing a strawman argument, and you don't seem to have one yet except for the existence of voice chat technology.
Ejit
STD contractors
#389 - 2012-05-10 01:18:56 UTC
There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.

Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.

And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.

Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#390 - 2012-05-10 01:22:09 UTC
Ejit wrote:
Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.

Because this certainly worked well last time.
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#391 - 2012-05-10 01:24:42 UTC
Ejit wrote:
There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.

Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.

And CCP staff have been playing this game to their advantage on their alts since day 1. Does anyone remember dev Titan alt Shrike conveniently rebooting the server every time his Titan got tackled in the BOB days? Was regular as clockwork.



I agree completely, because everyone knows it's the fact that GSF is one alliance rather than 8 unified alliances that is driving all the corruption in eve online. You should have gone for something completely ridiculous like 'the solution is a better tank on hulks'.

And also, I'll remind everyone that all the corruption predates the existance of internal affairs. You'd better believe that if eveo rebooted every time shrikes titan was in danger, GSF would have reported that to IA and demanded an investigation into whether there were real reasons why the game had to be restarted.

The game restarting every time a given gameplay scenario happens isn't proof, but it's at least something that can be investigated. It's a lot more than anyone in this thread has brought to the table.

Literally, no one in this thread has even bought up a situation that could be investigated, let alone 'evidence'. Instead they're relying on people ignoring all the things CCP has done to prevent corruption to focus on 'some bad things happened once'.
Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#392 - 2012-05-10 01:25:09 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Enforcement of employee misconduct would be much easier to detect for everyone concerned if devs were forced to play with their Dev accounts or tagged toons where non-tagged alts were explicitly prohibited. It's not so much that I want devs to miss out on the fun in game like others here are suggesting. But, how the **** do you detect a dev playing on an otherwise anonymous toon who has the intelligence to never identify himself as a dev, at least not to those players who don't directly benefit from his presence?


Are you high? Do you really think that devs being forced to play with dev tags on would somehow lead to less people seeking 'dev favours' than devs being forced to play on totally anonymous alts without ties to any alliance leadership.

That suggests a total lack of understanding of human nature right there.

CCP knows who the dev alts are, and I would expect that every aspect of their gameplay is being constantly scrutinised by Internal Affairs. What possible benefit could your proposal add over that?


It's called voice chat.


This is not a proposal. This is a blurb. A blurb contains no substantial information.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#393 - 2012-05-10 01:39:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Doctor Ungabungas wrote:
Ejit wrote:
There is one solution I've been touting for years that'd solve a great deal of these issues.

Reduce the alliance headcount to a maximum of say 1000.

I agree completely, because everyone knows it's the fact that GSF is one alliance rather than 8 unified alliances that is driving all the corruption in eve online. You should have gone for something completely ridiculous like 'the solution is a better tank on hulks'.

We'd have GSF1, GSF2, GSF3, GSF4... GSF14, GSF15 etc etc TEST, 7EST, T3ST, TE5T, TES7, etc etc Like the famous VCbee### (3 or 4 digits).

I'm surprised that by now the poster hasn't "bought in" to the forums' view that the whole CFC isn't actually a bunch of alliances allied to one another buy just pets or something. If so, the above solution makes no sense either...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#394 - 2012-05-10 02:19:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
It used to be BOB and now it is goons, it is also their game. So you can't really do anything about it. That is the final answer TBH.



P.S.

Quote:

:edit: And by basis we presume actual real activity or such to point at not the findings of your local tarot card reader or your own psychic gifts.


Dear Mr Dev, you might be surprised by how much (some of us) actually know.
Passing secrets at RL BBQ's FTW.

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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#395 - 2012-05-10 02:51:19 UTC
lol npc forum posters getting destroyed in this thread
Doctor Ungabungas
Doomheim
#396 - 2012-05-10 02:56:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
It used to be BOB and now it is goons, it is also their game. So you can't really do anything about it. That is the final answer TBH.



P.S.

Quote:

:edit: And by basis we presume actual real activity or such to point at not the findings of your local tarot card reader or your own psychic gifts.


Dear Mr Dev, you might be surprised by how much (some of us) actually know.
Passing secrets at RL BBQ's FTW.


Why isn't what you 'know' on the front page of the BBC website like the last lot of internal drama was? Or even posted in this thread for that matter.

No one has even been able to suggest anything that's even 'slightly suspicious', but suddenly you have DAMNING EVIDENCE that you can't post in this thread.
Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#397 - 2012-05-10 03:24:53 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
It used to be BOB and now it is goons, it is also their game. So you can't really do anything about it. That is the final answer TBH.



P.S.

Quote:

:edit: And by basis we presume actual real activity or such to point at not the findings of your local tarot card reader or your own psychic gifts.


Dear Mr Dev, you might be surprised by how much (some of us) actually know.
Passing secrets at RL BBQ's FTW.


I'm not surprised at all by how much you know.

Hint: It rhymes with "nothing"
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#398 - 2012-05-10 03:32:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Bison
CCP Sreegs wrote:
... (some might say slanderous) ...

Slander is spoken.
Libel is written.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Lol

Side note/request: is there someplace I can mine tinfoil in Eve? Would be a serious ISK maker.

Nothing clever at this time.
Andrey Wartooth
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
#399 - 2012-05-10 03:37:53 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
... (some might say slanderous) ...

Salnder is spoken.
Liable is written.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Lol

Side note/request: is there someplace I can mine tinfoil in Eve? Would be a serious ISK maker.


It's spelled Slander and Libel.
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#400 - 2012-05-10 03:40:55 UTC
Andrey Wartooth wrote:
Nick Bison wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
... (some might say slanderous) ...

Salnder is spoken.
Liable is written.

Sorry, couldn't resist. Lol

Side note/request: is there someplace I can mine tinfoil in Eve? Would be a serious ISK maker.


It's spelled Slander and Libel.


Dang, a combination of bad spelling and typing Sad
Corrected ... my thanks.

Nothing clever at this time.