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Inferno And Datacores

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Hockston Axe
#341 - 2012-05-08 04:47:25 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:


We want to move T2 production more towards low and zero-sec.



Yep, right on the frontlines is the best place to put your military heavy industry...

Roll
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#342 - 2012-05-08 04:54:28 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
Ioci wrote:
I think we are making this more complex than it needs to be.

Some years ago they homogenized Agent groups and in so doing all the R&D corps got a fist full of Security agents they never had before. I just took Duvolle Laboratories from 0 standing to 2.00 standing with 4 Lv. 3 Sec missions and Connections 4. I will have it to 3.00 and be able to run level 4 R&D in an afternoon.

Anyone remember the nursery rhyme, She swallowed the goat to catch the dog, to catch the cat, to catch the bird to catch the fly?

EVE swallowed a fly.

They also "homogenized" the agent standings to spread the mission runners out, to thin out the camouflage for the botters. Don't know if you were aware of that.


It sounds like you are assuming I said that in a negative way. I know why they did what they did and I myself liked the changes. It still had some side effects and access to R&D is one of them. You could argue the best thing CCP could do is leave them alone. So what if there are 3 billion datacores in the game? It reduces the cost of inventions, that can be a good thing. I'm just nit sure of all the various ideas as to why they are doing it. I think its cut and dry on the why.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Aeryn Tiberius
Woopatang
Primary.
#343 - 2012-05-08 05:04:10 UTC
The sad thing is that I just got done training the skills that is why I want them back now, I could fly a carrier with the needed sp.

A quick noob question, I got this from my agent. If I do not do the mission does that mean I will not still be collecting research points towards datacores?


Our research has been fruitful, but I've encountered a snag and our research has been halted. Please contact me as soon as possible.
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#344 - 2012-05-08 05:50:02 UTC
Aeryn Tiberius wrote:
The sad thing is that I just got done training the skills that is why I want them back now, I could fly a carrier with the needed sp.

A quick noob question, I got this from my agent. If I do not do the mission does that mean I will not still be collecting research points towards datacores?


Our research has been fruitful, but I've encountered a snag and our research has been halted. Please contact me as soon as possible.


It's a mission flag. You can either take the mission or ignore it and on datacores, don't worry about it. They like everything else in EVE are priced to stalemate. You will still get more ISK out of them than you put in.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#345 - 2012-05-08 06:25:02 UTC
Moving things away from Player to NPC interaction centered areas towards areas where focus is on Player to Player interaction sounds like a fine idea... but FW LP stores seem far too tightly bound to NPC empires to actually do that significantly better than NPC agents. Too much focus on the empires I say. In a perfect sandbox it should be possible to ignore the needs of some silly non player characters and the wars of their empires.
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol
#346 - 2012-05-08 07:40:50 UTC
Killer Gandry wrote:
Bennet Am wrote:
I trained these skills as a beginner in hopes of inventing a t2 BPO.

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That is gonna be a long hope then since you can't invent a T2 BPO onlyBPC's.


There was a time when you could.

Oh, and you just made yourself look very... very... silly.
Bellona Roman
Doomheim
#347 - 2012-05-08 07:56:11 UTC
Regarding datacores, Why not change it so that datacores are now player made, from bpc's obtained from research agents.

If this happened , how many fw ppl would use lp to buy bpc and then go and make said cores? not as many as if it were simply as it is going to be perhaps?
Killer Gandry
The Concilium Enterprises
#348 - 2012-05-08 14:26:23 UTC
Aron Croup wrote:


Oh, and you just made yourself look very... very... silly.


I do like to fit in with the rest.
Cedric Mactavish
Shiva Hara
#349 - 2012-05-08 16:58:41 UTC
Being relatively noob, this is my first significant Eve nerf experience. So Question: is there any consistent expectation we can have about when we will know the details of this one?

I've seen a Soundwave post promising a dev blog, and I think I recall a post that mentioned a May 21 date (for what, I can't recall). Other than that, I don't know what or when. Is there a regularly scheduled release notes procedure, or do we just wait for CCP to bestow upon us the divine intervention?
Aron Croup
Incompatible Protocol
#350 - 2012-05-08 17:41:15 UTC
Cedric Mactavish wrote:
Being relatively noob, this is my first significant Eve nerf experience. So Question: is there any consistent expectation we can have about when we will know the details of this one?

I've seen a Soundwave post promising a dev blog, and I think I recall a post that mentioned a May 21 date (for what, I can't recall). Other than that, I don't know what or when. Is there a regularly scheduled release notes procedure, or do we just wait for CCP to bestow upon us the divine intervention?


Yes, the changes are already in effect on SiSi, and Soundwave has all but confirmed that the datacore collection rate will be halved, there will be a tax on purchase of datacores of 10.000 ISK and that all the different kinds of datacores will be available in the FW loyalty point stores.
Cedric Mactavish
Shiva Hara
#351 - 2012-05-08 18:11:19 UTC
Aron Croup wrote:
Yes, the changes are already in effect on SiSi, and Soundwave has all but confirmed that the datacore collection rate will be halved, there will be a tax on purchase of datacores of 10.000 ISK and that all the different kinds of datacores will be available in the FW loyalty point stores.


Thanks! That's enough detail to run with....
Llyandrian
Livestock Science Exchange
#352 - 2012-05-09 19:03:46 UTC

This is a massive nerf of invention based T2 production, months of training now useless, hundred of hours grinding standing up all wasted, prices will rocket. Predictable the main beneficiaries will again be the favoured sons of null-sec.
Elise DarkStar
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#353 - 2012-05-09 19:12:41 UTC
Llyandrian wrote:
This is a massive nerf of invention based T2 production, months of training now useless, hundred of hours grinding standing up all wasted, prices will rocket. Predictable the main beneficiaries will again be the favoured sons of null-sec.


Yup, things in nullsec are looking pretty sweet right now. Poor little hisec babbies...

Now if only they'd make a way for me to pump all the tech mined from my personal moons right into my veins.
Iamien
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#354 - 2012-05-09 19:23:21 UTC
Because null-sec players participate all day erryday in Faction Warfare.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#355 - 2012-05-09 19:55:13 UTC
Iamien wrote:
Because null-sec players participate all day erryday in Faction Warfare.


You forget, Null is anyone who's not a carebear in high.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Killian Redbeard
Ironhand Research and Industrial Corp
#356 - 2012-05-09 23:38:24 UTC
Not sure what Faction warfare has to do with Research but since you insist on putting datacores in FW LP stores can you also put in all mineable minerals, gases, moon goo, and ice.
Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
#357 - 2012-05-10 18:26:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyke Mossari
In an effort to over come the impasse I have a counter proposal.

My aim to buff FW in an RP/lore consistent manner without buffing null-sec or nerfing existing Researchers.

1) Introduce 4 new Faction Warfare military technology datacores, e.g.

Amarr Military Doctrine / Technology / Science.
Gallente Military Doctrine / Technology / Science.
Minmatar Military Doctrine / Technology / Science.
Caldari Military Doctrine / Technology / Science.

2) Make these only available from the FW LP Store.

3) Use these datacores to invent Navy variants of existing ships. Make these ships attractive by being different from existing Navy Hull BPC. i.e. Navy Interceptor, EAS or AF such as a Navy Wolf, Enyo, etc.

This could even be done in stages, 1&2 should be pretty straight forward, show a clear intent and get players collecting them, step #3 would probably take time to complete skins and balance etc.

I believe this offers a better buff to FW than the existing proposal, especially if the ships skill bonus for Navy variants were geared towards small gang warfare.
Arec Bardwin
#358 - 2012-05-10 19:00:26 UTC
Wyke Mossari wrote:

In an effort to over come the impasse I have a counter proposal.

My aim to buff FW in an RP/lore consistent manner without buffing null-sec or nerfing existing Researchers.

1) Introduce 4 new Faction Warfare military technology datacores, e.g.

Amarr Military Doctrine / Technology / Science.
Gallente Military Doctrine / Technology / Science.
Minmatar Military Doctrine / Technology / Science.
Caldari Military Doctrine / Technology / Science.

2) Make these only available from the FW LP Store.

3) Use these datacores to invent Navy variants of existing ships. Make these ships attractive by making them different from existing Navy Hulls. e.g. Starting with Navy Interceptors, EAS or AF.

Navy Wolf, Enyo, etc.

This could even be done in stages, 1&2 could be used to show a clear intent and get players collecting them, step #3 would probably take time to complete.


Something like this is actually not a bad idea.
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#359 - 2012-05-10 19:02:27 UTC
Wyke Mossari wrote:
In an effort to over come the impasse I have a counter proposal.

My aim to buff FW in an RP/lore consistent manner without buffing null-sec or nerfing existing Researchers.

1) Introduce 4 new Faction Warfare military technology datacores, e.g.

Amarr Military Doctrine / Technology / Science.
Gallente Military Doctrine / Technology / Science.
Minmatar Military Doctrine / Technology / Science.
Caldari Military Doctrine / Technology / Science.

2) Make these only available from the FW LP Store.

3) Use these datacores to invent Navy variants of existing ships. Make these ships attractive by making them different from existing Navy Hulls. i.e. Navy Interceptors, EAS or AF such as a Navy Wolf, Enyo, etc.

This could even be done in stages, 1&2 could be used to show a clear intent and get players collecting them, step #3 would probably take time to complete skins and balance etc, bu I believe offers a better buff to FW.


Or just make it simple and ONLY move the racial ship datacores to their respective militia. Everything else could stay the same.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden
Salinas Montif
Kylee Corps
#360 - 2012-05-10 21:00:06 UTC
Llyandrian wrote:

This is a massive nerf of invention based T2 production, months of training now useless, hundred of hours grinding standing up all wasted, prices will rocket. Predictable the main beneficiaries will again be the favoured sons of null-sec.





Again the favors go to the large alliances that already have the T2 BPO market by making research that much more expensive.


Ideally if they wanted to improve the T2 market and increase the FW LP store, they could offer T2 BPCs with better ME and PE on the LP store then could be garnered through invention. Like 1 run BPC with 4ME and 4PE (versus the -4,-4 of an invention BPC). Or multiple run BPCs of 0ME and 0PE. BPC types would be divided among the factions based on the data interface required. Then FW would get the buff it needs, Research of Datacores would get the nerf they aparently want price wise, and everyone would be happy. Sortof.



Personally I started researching for the T2 lottery (back in 2006). And I was furious when the T20 scandle broke. Still am actually thinking about how I had hoped like many others of getting a BPO only to find out the system was rigged for a bunch of good ol boys. But I thought the datacore thing would be a good leveler for T2 BPO monoplies. That of course never panned out.


Also as said before, Datacores do not make a lot of isk as the more they are worth, the more players train up for them and the price drops. So the idea that datacores are some form of passive isk is a myth.

oh well. Roll