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Dimitryy
Silent Knights.
LinkNet
#461 - 2012-05-07 00:14:39 UTC
This thread is so dumb i feel dumber for reading it.
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#462 - 2012-05-07 00:16:16 UTC
Gul'gotha Derv'ash wrote:
I think the main problem is that the majority of wealth is made out of low/null sec where you are supposed to have the highest risk of getting popped. The truth of the matter is that most areas in low/null sec are safer than those in high if you are in the controlling coalition or alliance.
For example a miner in high sec runs a higher risk of getting popped than that of a miner in null sec that is in the controlling system alliance. Why should the miner in null have access to all the rare ores, and their isk/hr be higher than someone in high if they are running a lower risk of being popped? That goes for almost all PVE that is done in the game.


That being said I have no problem with things being geared more towards low/null. I honestly think everyone should, at some point in their Eve playing, live in null. My problem comes when the CSM pushes their agenda which a large majority of the Eve population will never even encounter.


Low and nullsec space is safer because of the efforts of the players owning that space, not because of some NPC police force and the imposition of sec status.

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Gevlin
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#463 - 2012-05-07 00:35:47 UTC
hey hey now Low sec is dangereous as hell. You can lock it down with bubbles, and sovernty. There is always some small PVP focuse group wanting to take your corp down.

IF you get too big... in pops PL

If I was a miner I would join a renter alliance and work from there.

I know my old alliance Space Monkey alliance corps are always looking for members.
though don't try and join goons unless you have a personal friend in the alliance... and even then don't bring out anything expensive.

Someday I will have the time to play. For now it is mining afk in High sec. In Cheap ships
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#464 - 2012-05-07 02:42:42 UTC
Gevlin wrote:
hey hey now Low sec is dangereous as hell. You can lock it down with bubbles, and sovernty. There is always some small PVP focuse group wanting to take your corp down.

IF you get too big... in pops PL

I guess PL doesn't count as a nullsec power? OR was there something else to that?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#465 - 2012-05-07 04:09:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Vince Snetterton wrote:

Frankly, it would be my happiest day of the goons all unsubbed in protest.
But that is a personal thing,
Losing 8000-15,000 subs would be a huge hit to the game in the short term.

Or am I misinterpreting you?



And as I Keep saying, Ive seen him say similar things, if they lost all those ppl, CCP would kneejerk ion the other direction and do something stupid for the game like remove Sec at all

Lapine Davion wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
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What? A war isn't interesting to you? What is interesting to someone like you?


It's not that a war itself isn't interesting, a war vs you wouldn't be interesting. It's hardly my fault you killed off everyone that could or used to want to fight you.


Trust me, it isn't that we are bored. After all, we entertain ourselves plenty by coming after your people. And we can start a war whenever we really want.

I'm being completely serious here, you angry high-sec dwellers have the numbers and ships to put us in our place. All you need is a leader to rally behind, and a handful of good FCs. You could drive us out of Dek and make sure we can't live anywhere.

But you won't come and actually beat us because it's more interesting to let us kill you and then whine about it to CCP?


You say this, but someone DID attack back at Jita so you IMmed your GM friends and got them destroyed cause as much as you dish it you DAMN SURE cant take it

Lapine Davion wrote:

So? What I'm getting from you saying fighting and beating us would be interesting is that it would make you any isk. Is that right? You know that if your crowd beats us, they could take all those tech moons that we own, all this juicy space ripe for the picking. All the isk could be yours, if only you would reach out and take it.



You null seccers sound really bored.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#466 - 2012-05-07 04:14:59 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:


I know how much money the CFC has. Lets not even bring the past affiliations of CCP employees into this, because it really doesn't have any bearing and only makes you look even more insane.

You really are going to sell yourselves short, aren't you? You're all just absolutely determined to make yourselves into victims.


And youre just trolling. Too bad CCP wont ban pro Goon trolls.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#467 - 2012-05-07 04:18:25 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Bane Necran wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:
You are ********


Nah, just sleep deprivation.

Quote:
But by all means, beat up on the one person who is actually trying to show you the power that you have.


To go back to the inner city reference i made before, in tough neighborhoods everyone just keeps their head down and doesn't get involved when bullets start flying. I now see that's the problem with getting hisec to 'fight back'.

The game openly encourages and celebrates the worst behavior in people, so we now have a game full of the worst kinds of people. Those who live in hisec are the most abused and griefed people in the entire game, so you can't scare them, because they met people like you their first hour in the game. They have no interest in protecting hisec or fighting back, just staying alive, and protecting their own interests.


So what you are saying is that instead of doing the figurative drivebys in highsec, instead we should be figuratively dropping nukes on the cities? Would that get highsec to come get us?


Id guess no. You arent going to get us to care.

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so you can't scare them, because they met people like you their first hour in the game.


Youre nothing new, move on.

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#468 - 2012-05-07 04:20:37 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Andski wrote:
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
some one in 0.0 will come try to attack you.


okay, who?


No idea, that why I said I'm sure 'someone would' I was being optimistic for you



I wouldnt pay to be that bored in a game. The tears of highseccers mask the boredom of the Goons it seems

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#469 - 2012-05-07 04:27:15 UTC
Antibrocial, four in a row? Let the thread die =\

Hello, hello again.
Shian Yang
#470 - 2012-05-07 04:27:56 UTC
Greetings capsuleers,

Can someone teach the newbies about multi-quoting or reducing the amount of crud they spawn on the forums, please?

Regards,

Shian Yang
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#471 - 2012-05-07 04:36:08 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
:words:


This guy just made a whole lot of posts in a row to quote my words.

So, because I think it would be cool to see a whole mess of high-sec people come together to try and drive the CFC out of Deklein, it means we must be bored?

This kind of thing would overshadow ANYTHING the CFC has done. IT would generate the kinds of press that CCP drools over. And you could show CCP that you deserve the rewards it gives you. Instead of being petulant little children demanding nerf after nerf against the wolves who feed on you.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#472 - 2012-05-07 05:08:23 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
:words:


This guy just made a whole lot of posts in a row to quote my words.

So, because I think it would be cool to see a whole mess of high-sec people come together to try and drive the CFC out of Deklein, it means we must be bored?

This kind of thing would overshadow ANYTHING the CFC has done. IT would generate the kinds of press that CCP drools over. And you could show CCP that you deserve the rewards it gives you. Instead of being petulant little children demanding nerf after nerf against the wolves who feed on you.

True. You can easily get together 10,000 people right? Half of the population, ain't it?

Use alts or something, take a newbie ship, whatever ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ares Renton
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#473 - 2012-05-07 05:25:29 UTC
CCP Guard wrote:
Cleaning this thread of off topic posts, rants and personal attacks. You can help me by not putting them there in the first place.


This post is off-topic
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#474 - 2012-05-07 12:13:27 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:


Screw that, I'm not going to Iceland for a BBQ.



Could be good chicken.



Careful there, Leeroy....

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#475 - 2012-05-07 12:34:31 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:

So, because I think it would be cool to see a whole mess of high-sec people come together to try and drive the CFC out of Deklein, it means we must be bored?

This kind of thing would overshadow ANYTHING the CFC has done. IT would generate the kinds of press that CCP drools over. And you could show CCP that you deserve the rewards it gives you. Instead of being petulant little children demanding nerf after nerf against the wolves who feed on you.


There's not a single reason to come (back to) sov 0.0.

Boring like crazy for most of the day to the point you end up missing Jita spammers, just to see something going on.

Chance to join a valid 0.0 corp: 5%. The rest is crud, yet you have to bring your crap over 60 jumps just to find out.

Chance to have to join forced alliance ops: 80% (yes I fart statistics from my ass). It's fun to wake up at 2am to go hit an empty POS or another similarly stupid object.

For what? So that your lord and sire will get 1 more moon to make HIM and his friends rich.

Ability to trade and stuff: possible but stupidly dangerous and the markets suck in there. Have to cyno in everything, endure the bull$hit of having to log a cyno alt at down time or similar.

Mining in 0.0: lol why? Could as well bot red crosses in a supercarrier instead of botting an Hulk.

PvP? Blob fest or sitting at a bubbled gate / station for hours like a moron.
Small roams? They happen in less blobby corps, but have to find one of those. Not going to happen in sov 0.0, NPC 0.0 would be the place to be.

Renter corp? Why. Can bot in hi sec for free and without being looked from the top to bottom by the landlords and being asked to join some ******** landlord alliance op.

Low sec and maybe WH and possibly NPC 0.0 could be places to live.

For PvP? GW2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> EvE, it can't even be compared. Lol mouse clickers pretending they are skilled, in a game with 1990 collision spheres, no line of sight or landscape tactics.

Hell, even stupidly ret4rded Warhammer Online PvP > EvE.


EvE shines for manufacturing, trading, Space Excel, all stuff that can be done without ever undocking from Jita.

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#476 - 2012-05-07 12:56:22 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

EvE shines for manufacturing, trading, Space Excel, all stuff that can be done without ever undocking from Jita.



That's all fine, but kill me noaw........if the above statement is the End Game.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#477 - 2012-05-07 13:07:47 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:

EvE shines for manufacturing, trading, Space Excel, all stuff that can be done without ever undocking from Jita.



That's all fine, but kill me noaw........if the above statement is the End Game.


I don't know who I killed with the last week dump in morphite and other minerals but it has been a fun run. For me.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#478 - 2012-05-07 13:49:46 UTC
Goonswarm are very insulated from the consequences of their actions. That isn't to say there's anything fundamentally wrong with what they're doing - well, I think what they're doing is wrong, in that I don't like it, and wouldn't do it myself if I had the power to, but there's nothing they've done (besides what Mittani did at Fanfest) that in any way violates the EULA or any other EVE code of conduct. Everything they've done in-game is perfectly valid.

But Goons have nearly nine thousand members. Yes, I'm fully aware that nowhere near all of those are available or even active at any given time, but they still vastly outnumber the next largest alliance - who are part of the same coalition. All told, CONDI and TEST alone are quite literally just ten heads shy of 16,000 members, and regardless of how many they can leverage at once, together they most certainly comprise the single largest military power bloc in EVE Online. I'm led to believe that isn't even the full extent of the CFC's membership but I don't really keep up on these things as I don't live in nullsec and have no desire to.

Goons can quite easily say things like "well maybe highsec dwellers should just form a big coalition and get rid of us" because they know this isn't going to happen. Look, guys, let's just be realistic here - this isn't going to happen. As much as the thought of an unholy gargantuan fuckstorm of angry hi-sec mission runners in Drakes and Ravens so numerous that even CFC can't beat it back gives me the giggles, I know that scenario's never going to take place outside of an amusing fantasy. The very idea of even assembling a thing on such a scale is truly ludicrous - hi-sec dwellers are fragmented, spiteful and very distrustful of each other. The vast majority of them don't even read the forums. There'd be no means of co-ordinating them on such a scale, and most of them would have no idea how to work in a fleet.

The only people who could realistically defeat you at this point would be a coalition of various other nullsec powers, which has already been attempted several times and has already failed an equal number of times. Someone said the Russians would be the best bet, but the Russians seem content with their own territory right now. Everyone else knows this and apparently you are aware of it too, given that there's strong rumours circulating that CONDI and TEST are considering going to war with each other because you can't find a good challenge elsewhere.

The only realistic way CFC's dominance in EVE Online is going to be broken is if its member alliances experience significant internal strife and fracture, as has occasionally occured with other alliances. No, I don't like this, but I've come to terms with it. There's nothing that anyone other than CFC can do to get rid of CFC, and CFC is well aware of it. Forum trolls who claim that CFC space is utterly safe are, of course, wrong, because nowhere in nullsec besides Jovian space is utterly safe. But there are no major threats to the CFC at present because you guys basically won nullsec. No-one can seriously threaten you at present because the only people in a realistic position to try aren't interested, and although certainly in the grand scheme of things you're vastly outnumbered by the people who don't like you, they all hate each other more than they hate you.

I'm not so much bitter about this, as such - it's more that I'm actually kind of jealous, given that you are insanely arrogant while at the same time having a rather large amount of things for which it's perfectly justifiable to be insanely arrogant about. I mean, yes, I want you gone and it irks me that this is unlikely to happen, but really, getting to where you've gotten must have taken a hell of a lot of hard work. That's something I can respect, at least.

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Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

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Apolyon I
Shadow of ISW
#479 - 2012-05-07 14:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Apolyon I
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Lapine Davion wrote:

So, because I think it would be cool to see a whole mess of high-sec people come together to try and drive the CFC out of Deklein, it means we must be bored?

This kind of thing would overshadow ANYTHING the CFC has done. IT would generate the kinds of press that CCP drools over. And you could show CCP that you deserve the rewards it gives you. Instead of being petulant little children demanding nerf after nerf against the wolves who feed on you.


There's not a single reason to come (back to) sov 0.0.

Boring like crazy for most of the day to the point you end up missing Jita spammers, just to see something going on.

Chance to join a valid 0.0 corp: 5%. The rest is crud, yet you have to bring your crap over 60 jumps just to find out.

Chance to have to join forced alliance ops: 80% (yes I fart statistics from my ass). It's fun to wake up at 2am to go hit an empty POS or another similarly stupid object.

For what? So that your lord and sire will get 1 more moon to make HIM and his friends rich.

Ability to trade and stuff: possible but stupidly dangerous and the markets suck in there. Have to cyno in everything, endure the bull$hit of having to log a cyno alt at down time or similar.

Mining in 0.0: lol why? Could as well bot red crosses in a supercarrier instead of botting an Hulk.

PvP? Blob fest or sitting at a bubbled gate / station for hours like a moron.
Small roams? They happen in less blobby corps, but have to find one of those. Not going to happen in sov 0.0, NPC 0.0 would be the place to be.

Renter corp? Why. Can bot in hi sec for free and without being looked from the top to bottom by the landlords and being asked to join some ******** landlord alliance op.

Low sec and maybe WH and possibly NPC 0.0 could be places to live.

For PvP? GW2 >>>>>>>>>>>>> EvE, it can't even be compared. Lol mouse clickers pretending they are skilled, in a game with 1990 collision spheres, no line of sight or landscape tactics.

Hell, even stupidly ret4rded Warhammer Online PvP > EvE.


EvE shines for manufacturing, trading, Space Excel, all stuff that can be done without ever undocking from Jita.


you definitely playing something else but not EVE, really!!!!!!

EDIT: you haven't played EVE to its full extend yet
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#480 - 2012-05-07 14:02:04 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
There's nothing that anyone other than CFC can do to get rid of CFC, and CFC is well aware of it.

Best post

/thread

P.S. - Thanks for saying what I was trying to, much clearer and more explicitly.

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