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Oh man........ allright.... here we go again. I don't know where to begin. DON'T PANIC! We can fix this.... uhm

Allright... New Invetory. Yes. Ok, here it goes!

The Good: As mentioned, one of the biggest and most needed overhauls to UI yet. Having lots of windows open and trying to manage is tedious sometimes. There are a lot of functionality and features you guys are adding to sweeten this up. Love many of the new functions of the Inventory window. The new views, looks, tree view can be useful.

The Bad: Waaaaayyyyyyy too little advanced warning. There are things that need to be in a separate window and not merged with the rest of the inventory. Not enough time to test or confirm that this will suit the majority of players for majority of the tasks/time. I think it's a good project and all but something as big as this needs a lot more foresight and testing and feedback. Sisi and forums alone is not good enough. This needs to be OPTIONAL!!!, on TQ, to ensure it's functionality, and you need to collect data on how many people actually prefer the new system to the old.

The Ugly: While this "overhaul" has the potential to be one of the greatest changes, it also has the POTENTIAL to be a complete DISASTER. There are many questions and concerns that have been raised by players on this thread that have not been addressed at all (no I'm not talking about people who don't know how to use the S&I panel). While the new UI may make some things easier, it can also make other things a lot more difficult to manage. Specifically for those of us who do have lots of items windows open could actually suffer from this change, and it would only benefit those who rarely have more than 2-3 windows open at a time. If the player base feels like you've limited the items UI to appeal to the those who have difficulty concentrating there could potentially be blood running on the streets. This great expansion can be the worst since... well.. Incarna.

Potential Problems: There are many potential problems that may arise from this and here's a few I can think of that haven't been mentioned yet.
*Sometimes you just want to dock, look at the ships hangar (that's already open and merged with station UI) and drag a new ship to the hangar to quickly board and undock.
*Sometimes you want to open a specific container or ships cargo quickly (in a small window) and drag contents it to your station hangar without having to open, resize, scroll, look for, do loops and hoops etc. etc.
*Sometimes you want tiny 3x1 windows w/o all the additional information taking up space or time loading all the other useless information.
*SOMETIMES... you want certain windows to be 3x1, others 10x10 and others 50x25. Without separate items hangars there is no way for the system to remember or know what you're trying to do and this leaves us with a lot of annoying resizing, pushing, pulling, shoving and will result in a lot of frustration!!! I don't want to have a huge window popping up everytime I open my ships cargo to monitor how much ammo I have left, or a tiny window open up when I am trying to quickly check how many minerals are left in the corp hangar.

The Solution: I'm no programmer, but you said you made "Inventory UI way more modular" and that sounds to me like you made things a lot more interchangeable. Maybe there are programming limitations I'm not aware of, but I don't see why this needs to replace the old inventory windows. Is it really that difficult to make this a new asset management window and still allow us to use the more conventional means if we choose so?

PLEASE.... please do not make the same mistakes as in Incarna. The biggest problem with that was not some stupid $80 monocles that nobody cares about but the fact that you replaced a lot of the useful features and functionality with useless pretty stuff and completely removed our ability to choose either even though you said you wouldn't do that for years. As a loyal and fervent supporter of CCP and EVE since 2004, I urge you to reflect on your past promises and re-examine your objectives. Anyone can make pretty new UIs and load it up with features. Not everyone (and I know you can if you try) can actually make it so useful and efficient that everyone loves it and wants to use it.

My final opinion on this matter... I'm still on the fence. If this optional then I praise it as one of the greatest tools and all the power to you guys. If this does go through in it's current form and replaces all our current asset/ship/item/corp hangars views, then I'm grinding my teeth and bracing for impact. It will potentially ruin the game for a lot of us!

I was going to leave some constructive feedback, but i was advised to leave only this comment: "**** sucks donkey balls"

Now, on a more serious note.

The UI overhaul is a very good idea in general, as it badly needs one, however, i oppose such drastic changes to one, because most people are used to the current system, myself included. That also doesn't mean that current system is flawed - there are many MDI apps for a reason.
The new window is all fine and dandy, but it looks like it would be a much better replacement for the ASSETS window, not the cargohold/maintbay/fuelbay/corphangar/stationhangar/cargoboxes windows. If the new system is so modular, why not leave the old way of doing stuff™ the way it is and just offer this new ability as a separate feature, or, at most replace the assets window, while leaving all the functionality of this new window intact. This way would leave people with ability to choose what to use - the old way of multiple windows, the new way of single smart window or just use both where appropriate. I, for example, like my ship cargo bay, maintbay and fuelbay as separate windows, station hangar and ships in station merged into the station panel and i prefer cargo boxes pop up as separate windows (although ability to see them and browse through as tree nodes in "assets" view would be great addition).

In short: make this the new assets window and leave the old windows as they are now, this would keep most people happy.

Finally got around to further testing!

The good: Windows shrink down to a respectable size. If I separate out the cargo hold of a ship and set it to a particular size, the next time I separate out the cargo hold of a ship, it will open as that size.

The bad: The inventory will not remember that I separated out a ship's cargo hold. If I switch ships, I have to open the cargo hold in a separate window all over again.

I would really like it if the inventory remembered what windows I want separate from the main inventory window. Here's the functionality that I'd like to see (using the example of a separated cargo hold window):

If I have the inventory open already and I double-click on my ship or otherwise open its cargo, I want the inventory to open my cargo hold in a separate window, assuming that the last time I opened it I made it a separate window.

If I don't have the inventory open already and I open my cargo hold, I want it to open in the same size as it was. I want to be able to open my overall inventory or otherwise access it without having to go into the tree of the cargo hold and re-separate out my cargo hold.

Basically, I want windows that I have separated from the main inventory to stay separated and not be forced to behave as the parent inventory window. In my eyes, there's little point in being able to open separate windows if I have to open the same windows separately every single time that I want them.

I would like to second this motion.

Don't get me wrong, these changes are great and much needed. But, it is still absolutely ridiculous that you have not added a remote-stack option in this UI iteration, or in all 9 years of EVE. Why do I need to waste 35 orders on 1 hobgoblin II each because I can't stack them? You can't even put bulk orders up so you have to do it 1 at a time. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think this was intended game-play...

Please recognize that this is a problem!

Very weak argument. For playing '1.5 years' I've met plenty of total noobs who played 2-3 years and more and knew about the game MUCH less than I did at that moment. If you're not a 'munch-keen' it may take you 20 years to get to knowing something that some other people may already know after playing several months. IRL there are also people who don't learn almost anything even to their 60 years of life. So don't tell me about your char's age, it means nothing to me.

You don't need 'more typing', create and arrange your filters just once, like overview profiles.
Seems you like to cover all your screen with inventories and because of them being unable even to double-click at space. I hate it. I don't spend most of my time in-game moving stuff around, and most people also don't. And I like to save screen space for something other than just my inventory.
Also, the new window remembers your last choises pretty well: for example, if you are salvaging and looting cont-s in space, open one container, resize it as you wish, hide tree view and loot; when you open next similar container it will look like previous atm you closed it. Though, I would love to be able to bookmark some types of containers on the Neocom - having container profiles along with already made savable filters would be even better; hope they'll make it possible in future updates. (ah, yes, one more thing, don't think of any new feature as smth. final, because they sure will improve it).
As I've said before, you can create separate windows by shift-clicking, you can hide tree view, etc. New filtering system also helps a lot, especially for repeated usage of something like POS hangar, with tons of its unpackaged stuff.

Couple weird things I noticed...

While docked, open your inventory, then shift click the inventory from the E menu and it minimizes the station services screen and the inventory.

The estimated ISK value of your cargohold does not include items nested inside cargo cans. Not sure if that's intended or not.

Not sure what you are on about Niko but you just spent 2 posts wanking on about your preferences then slam this guys.. lol in any case i think i would also like an answer on this question as well. I do my building and manufacturing from a pos and im constantly managing the clutter of crap from blueprints. S&I panel is not the prefered method for all players infact many players use right click build / invent direct from the inventory.

Surely it cant be to hard to just have PE ME and i guess remaining runs display on the avatar for blueprints \ copies. That way i can build with confidence using my inventory panel as desired and do so with the confidence of being able to select the best print for the job each time.

The question is valid and raised multiplre times im not sure why you were so quickly on the defence. In any case if you are going to forum lurk then at least try to be an effective troll.

Don't know if it was mentioned in this thread, but new inventory has a serious usability problem, when it comes down to POSes.

From my point of view it's cool, that all anchored structures on the POS are added to the inventory.

But there is no grouping for turrets and batteries, for god's sake! If I have a POS with 70 guns, then I'll have like 100+ items in inventory (including all corphangars, SMA's, assembly arrays, etc) without any means to exclude guns. A simple task to switch a ship and throw some ammo in it will become a true nightmare.

How am I trolling anyone? I thought my post was pretty straightforward. I don't know why I made that 2nd post slamming that guy. Maybe because I thought there were more important things at stake. To be honest I never thought anyone would prefer the hangar view vs the Science & Industry panel and thus assumed anyone complaining about not being able to see ME/PE levels just didn't know how to use the S&I Panel. Can you tell me why you prefer Hangar view to S&I Panel? Maybe something needs to be suggested to make S&I panel more useful?
Seriously though, displaying all that information in the hangar view would make S&I completely redundant and you might as well throw away a perfectly good tool. (Especially since they added the search filter to it)

YOu did this just to prove my sig wrong, I hate you CCP.