EVE General Discussion

What really upset me is seeing the Burn Jita splashscreen logging in to the game. Why is CCP supporting these griefers? All I heard at fanfest was goon this and goon that. Dudes, stop humping their legs, they are nothing more than a griefcorp, I've seen these guys in other MMOs, they take pleasure in knowing that you aren't enjoying the game.

Blah blah blah whine cry blah blah

What really upset me is seeing the Burn Jita splashscreen logging in to the game. Why is CCP supporting these griefers? All I heard at fanfest was goon this and goon that. Dudes, stop humping their legs, they are nothing more than a griefcorp, I've seen these guys in other MMOs, they take pleasure in knowing that you aren't enjoying the game.

My concern is slightly different - and people are welcome to disagree.

First, I could care less about Goonswarm - they're playing within the confines of the sandbox. Second, anybody whining should grow a pair, grab a gun, or stay in-station during the storm.

That said, I have a completely different issue I believe to be relevant:

What IS CCP's stake in an event like Burn Jita? How much of the ISK rolling through the system is from purchased/converted PLEX - i.e., real, green cash that flows directly into CCP's pockets? I know what I've dumped into this game, and have spoken to many others that have dumped big $$ into playing Eve - so I know a small window of green cash flowing into CCP's coffers.

Not wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but it would seem that it is in CCP's best interest to fuel the destruction across the board - and that theory seems to be supported in some of the commentary I've seen from CCP staff, devs and creators, as well as policies and procedures intended to keep the ISK flowing to CCP's benefit.

If this were all about the sanctity of the game and preserving the rights of the gankers, et. al., it would seem that CCP would quit allowing PLEX conversions, character transfers, etc., and reduce the injection of ISK into the game by people like me. Either that or allow players to convert their ISK to real-world cash.

THEN we could talk increased profits, inflation, integrity of CCP, etc., with honesty. Let's face it, when a decent toon costs > $1,000 USD and that money is funneled directly through CCP and ONLY CCP, then only CCP is the "winner."

Just a thought.

Just want to understand the logic behind the game company taking such a stance.

Piracy, scamming, and griefing, all that I understand. But what is happenign with the "Burn Jita" event is completely different.

I want to know why CCP feels that even thought I pay my $15/mo just like the members of the GF they can do whatever they want, and I cannot. (Example: Going to Jita when GF feels I shouldn't.)

I think that EVE's biggest strength is also it's biggest weakness. It has become a little too much like RL. In ALL mmos, there is nothing a powerful corp, or a guild can do to prevent other people from playing the game any way they like. They may have the best items/gear... the most friends... the most influence.... but there is absolutely nothing allowing the more powerful players to interfere with, or hinder in anyway the game-play of others.

I can directly compare what is happening in EVE to a cable company. Let's say thousands of people are watching TV and their favorite channel gets blocked.

Suddenly a malignant individual decides to hack into the cable network, and blocks this channel. Off course at this point the cable company would try to do whatever they can to track down and deal with this individual.

But what's happening in EVE is more like, the cable company saying "Hmm.. This is interesting... all these people..They are so boring, laying on their couch watching movies.. Let' add a little something into their lives. Let's make them cry and scream with anger because they lack in diversity of emotions. Lets conduct a social experiment of sorts and let this hacker continue what he is doing.... "

Really, I think CCP is giving GF a little too much credit, allowing them to be the force of nature in EVE. The Yang that comes with the Yin, the spoon of tar in the barrel of honey, the black stripe in a pattern of white and black stripes... Well you get the point.

If CCP feels we need a little "spice" in our life, then why not alter those Sansha invasions to go directly into Jita or Amarr, or Rens or whatever... or program NPC pirates to go after mining ships at random times. Who the hell appointed GF to decide when the carebears have been having a too calm a life and need to be "shaken up a bit"?

Honestly I think those who chose the carebear gameplay style are already punished enough. They are essentially blocked out of all the fun gameplay elements. They cannot have access to best loot, they cannot mine the best ore, they cannot roam the world of eve without getting blown up as soon as they step out of their little fenced pen. But they are not choked enough... Lets tighten the noose some more, right?! Wrong.... Press this group of people too hard, and you got no one to grief anymore. No one to block. No one to make cry...

In a sense, this whole thing reminds me of our society, the extreme respect and admiration for professions such as doctors or lawyers and the complete lack of that same respect for those in lower professions. But wait.... We need these people! If no one was flipping burgers, no one was cleaning out the garbage, etc, etc... What kind of the world would be be living in?

Carebears fill an essential role in EVE. Without them, EVE would be missing a lot of what makes it great.

I believe that the best game, is one where people can choose to play any way they like. If you want to be a boring carebear, be a boring carebear. If you want to be a vicious pirate, be one. But the two should not be mixed forcefully because that ruins the gameplay experience for those that do not want to PvP. (there's lowsec and 0.0 for that!) Don't these people also pay the $15/mo fee? And if they do, why is it that they don't deserve to play EVE any way they like without being interrupted?




And what the hell do you stand for Kristof? People making other people's life miserable?



You "think".... I "think" it would be "healthy" for EVE if the Goons lost a lot of their power, but they are losing nothing aside from their ships an a small part of their wealth, while the Carebears are losing everything.