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Don't have resources trapped in stations at all and people will be able to use those resources to fight.



You don't understand how plexing works. If i can bring 30 thrashers and the other side can only bring 15 then so long as I have time I will be able to prevent them from flipping the system.

You try to argue it will be better for the smaller side to have a longer timer because of some undisclosed detail? Not really persuasive.



Go ahead and throw your smaller fleet in a fw plex against the bigger fleet. See how your smaller size works to your advantage. I will wait to see the battle reports.





Yeah this is the same sort of paradigm eve so often turns to. Here is a good post from someone in faction war that explains not everything has to be that way:


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99578&find=unread

I'm sorry, when did you start getting GCC for attacking the opposing faction?

As for your other arguments against Ranger 1:
1: So if they bring a superior force, your solution is to dock up and log, because that's quality gameplay? And you don't like roaming in nullsec because you can't dock up like a little girl when the bad man comes out to fight back? This doesn't kill roaming gangs, but it does kill bad FCs who can't lead a good gang.

3: Waah? OMG I have to take 5 extra minutes after my roam to find a safe station to dock in. Or, conversely, I use intel and logic to plan a roam, and have a return destination in mind before I start.

FW plexes are hull restricted. Minors take destroyer and down. Medium takes t1 cuiser and down. etc. So if you are on the weaker side and you want to plex you would be able to pick a system and store different sized ships deep in some back water. When the enemy eventually forms up its blob to protect one sort of plex (say a minor plex that allows destroyers and down) You could, thanks to your planning and coodination, immediately jump into cruisers and run mediums or bcs/bs and run majors.

Now if your enemy is nothing but a bunch of lemmings who do nothing but form a blob at a base and then go roaming they will have to go several jumps and try to reship. If on the other hand they are a group that can easilly do a pick up gang and has stuff spread out over the system they will likely be able to bring something you can fight before the timers run.

If there is some sort of sense of urgency thanks to shorter timers that larger fleet might engage with equal numbers. If ther is no sense of urgency they will just wait until everyone gets in the right ships and they wonder back to easilly undo everythign you accomplished.

I don't see what's so confusing about where I stand, Its been the exact same thing I've said since before this change was even announced at Fan Fest.

I've already conceded that this is not what *most* players want, and that it is not what I personally wanted. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective) CCP does not just let players vote on every single feature change. Sometimes the developers feel strongly about a change, and will implement it against popular appeal. Any anger and disappointment in me for the way this has turned out is completely misplaced.

As for accusations of my loss of neutrality, I don't know what anyone expects me to do in this situation. Should I be obligated to quit my corp, alliance, and faction just to have a better perspective on the situation? Is it my personal fault that the faction I've fought for my entire EVE career happens to be on the winning side when these changes go into effect?

I've put a lot of time into providing feedback to CCP warning them about the sheer number of advantages they are giving to the winner all at once. I warned them about the need for players to want to stick to their factions despite some inconvenient consequences, and worked hard to mitigate the effects of the station lockout change that I have consistently opposed. I've talked about the long term benefits of having elasticity built into Faction Warfare, so that the predictions you are making do not come to pass. Your suggestion that I've somehow lost touch with what this will mean for the underdog runs contrary to everything I've said to the developers. All I'm asking for is a bit of good sportsmanship from the Faction Warfare community, for pilots to rise to a challenge, and for players to actually observe how the war plays out on Tranquility before declaring that Faction Warfare is somehow ruined.

We can argue about what may happen to the Faction Warfare scene all day Cearain, but this really isn't the thread for that. Feel free to continue posting speculative arguments in other Faction Warfare threads, this thread is for SiSi feedback.

Good discussion, keep it coming. As CCP Soundwave stated we are actually locked in to continue working on FW after Inferno, so we will be monitoring the short term effects and have some long term plans that we didn't get time to do.

Not bad, right up to the part where the Rewards from upgrading systems would be available to anyone, not just to the Militia who has upgraded the system.

If someone wants to gain the Rewards from that then they should have to accept the Risk of being part of an FW Militia to do so. Neutrals should have the standard costs.

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For the record, on the station lockout issue, it's a terrible idea. Preventing use of the Station Services would be sufficient as a penalty for losing a system. So, No Repairing, No Clone Upgrades, No new Market Orders or amending existing ones, No new Science / Industry Jobs, No Insurance etc.

It'd also be ridiculous if, for example, the Caldari were unable to dock in OMS due to lockout, but could quite happily base themselves next door in Villore (Gallente High Sec) out of the FDU Station there.

Some feedback/suggestions

Plexing

The new system is exploitable, allowing for seamless grinding in lower populated time zones. Its not exactly a secret that most people or corps have alts in the opposing faction and with the new mechanic of preventing new spawns this negates the challenge of taking a plex. Payouts for plexing are low compared to the cost for system upgrade and the time it takes for those upgrades to be taken down by the opposing faction.

Suggestion on plexing:
1: Remove all npcs from fw plexe, pilots will find a way to avoid them by exploiting any system that would be introduced
2: Add new type of plex or increase the number of unrestricted plexes to promote larger scale fights
3: Increase the drop of fw tags from mission npcs to make up for the removed source of these items

System control

By adding stakes to faction warfare and removing the major benefits of participating the game mechanic is less appealing and would be less likely to be stepping stone for anything or desired place to be in space. As i do agree that adding the risk factor the game will be more real, i see no point for me having anything but alts (at best) there.

Suggestion:
1: Change any of the existing bonuses for upgreading a system or add new one that will increase the the hitpoings and dammage of all faction npc in that system. This will make missioning in that system harder for enemy militia and more risky.
2: Add a reinforcement timer to the bunker once its vulnerable, so both sides have time for proper fleets
3: Add as system control reward increment of agent LP payout by 5% per level

LP store

The prices for the faction LP store on sisi put navy ships above the price for their pirate counterparts. Even though adding adding items that can be aquired only via fw lp is a possitive change this does not make up it.

Sugestion:
Adjust prices at the FW lp store to better reflect the quality of the items sold

New modules

Please seed those on the market so we can test them



Regards,
Trend

Apparently right now prices on SiSi are unmodified by actions taken by your faction. It seems that in the future those price points will be determined by player actions.

Economic pressures begin to encourage people to participate on the side of the losing faction. I believe that there should probalby be more incentives along this line than Data Cores, but that's the general idea.

When the game crashes on Singularity, is any action required of me to make sure CCP gets the information? (I've had several anomalous crashes on SiSi while flying in space, instant CTD with a message that the game have stopped working)