EVE General Discussion

The butthurt is strong in this thread.

CCP Sreegs is right on this one. All 22 pages of this craptastic thread are full of baseless accusations, internet posturing, and senseless masturbation. I don't see anything except people taking forum posts out of context, reading into words that aren't there, and crying because someone is better at the game than them. Almost all of the people pointing these accusations are either in small alliances that don't hold much sov, or forum alts (of people who have no cajones to post on their main).

tl;dr - this thread is pointless, and a waste of our time.

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I'm going to step away from the disgusting suggestion CCP Darius JOHNSON would for some reason show any type of favoritism towards Goonswarm. Because that is just nonsense. I'll bet he has one rule, and that is not to **** other CCP.

CCP Sreegs, Best Sreegs. And no, I'm not kidding. I hate the people who come onto the forums and make accusations and have no evidence to back it up. As the meme goes, "Pics, or it didn't happen." Kudos to Sreegs for calling people out on it, too.

Sreegs has a hard job and, if anyone has bothered to see his presentations at FanFest (thanks to whomever took the video), you can tell that he takes his job very seriously. This is not a dude you want to mess with. : >

Catching botters is hard. It's always a game of cat and mouse with those guys. Just when you catch onto something and go, "Ah ha! Got you!" the botters will find some new way to make your life miserable. It's just like the antivirus industry. The people writing good malware are really smart. It takes someone just as smart to rip apart their stuff, figure out how it all works, and then figure out how to fix it all.

It's hard enough without people like the OP et al., making life more difficult.

Like I said, I've been playing for two years and I have never seen evidence of any mass botting. I just plain and simple do not believe that it happens on any kind of significant scale. The fact that this is an accusation so commonly pointed towards Goonswarm or other large alliances suggests it has more to do with bigotry and anger at the power they've achieved than it does have anything to do with the truth about botting.

I challenge anyone here who thinks that botting is happening on a large scale to post evidence. Who cares about CCP. Throw something down to convince ME. Teach me how to spot a bot. Cause until anyone here gets off their ass and substantiates these claims - they remain that, mere claims.

I wish everyone here would grow up and stop demanding action about a phantom threat while simultaneously being too lazy to expose such a threat.

This is your classic "if a trees falls in a forest and no one's around, does it make a sound?" quandary. The whiners here either see something going on, and are reporting it, and not getting any response, or perhaps MAYBE BOTTING ISNT HAPPENING ON THE SCALE EVERYONE IS FREAKING OUT ABOUT.

And if you are doing your diligence and reporting known bots, and CCP is supposedly ignoring your reports, report it to the community. Surely there are enough bot haters to form a posse to deal with a problem individual.

But we are 22 pages of nonsense here, and not a single person who has claimed "bots ruin eve" has provided a single piece of factual information to support that baseless claims.

I am prepared to completely retract my statements and acquiesce once someone gets off their lazy butt and proves that they arent merely paranoid and accusatory. But until then, I call bullshite on the "bots destroy eve" claim.

Go have fun with this game, or go play a different game. Or better yet - do what most creative, hardworking players have done when they have beef with someone in the game - take matters into your own hands. The game gives plenty of tools to do that.

And by this I assume you mean bots other than Goonswarm bots, correct?

there are no bots in goonswarm, and if there are they aren't packed 20 at a time into one place and oblivious to their best buddies blowing up one by one so that would be inefficent

Despite disrespectfully calling out someone as a "pet" and the general sarcastic tone, this is probably the best solution to threads like this. There has indeed been a recent blog that describes how to report a bot, but offers nothing of value as to how players can identify a bot.

Sreegs, I think a simple blog can clarifiy a lot of the confusion here. Not that there isn't a million other overdue promised information from developers about various unfinished features, but this issue is clearly divisive amongst the eve playerbase and bad for everyone. You have the ability to help quash some of this by giving players a bit more guidance on what to watch for.

I remain part of the camp that calls bullshit on "bots ruin eve", but ONLY because I haven't seen hard evidence from players or CCP that it actually exists on a large scale, or even if it did how that impacts players at all levels. I've never even seen behaviour that LOOKS like a bot, but admittedly I don't know what to look for exactly. If it doesn't happen on a large scale, than I really dont care. There are a hundred ways to make more isk/hour than any automated system can produce, so personally don't care about going a few slipping through the cracks. But if it actually happens on a large scale, than please, someone convince me and I'll raise my pitchfork too.

And the only reason I'm asking you, Sreegs, is that a) CCP pollux said it would come, so its only fair to players to deliver, and b) apparently the people that are most outraged about this are also the ones least willing to do anything about making the problem better, or even to help fellow players like me understand what exactly is pissing them off so damn much.

Please elaborate - how is a raven warping to the sun evidence of botting?

Serious question, i dont know what you are talking about. How is that proof that there isn't a player causing the warp to the sun?

I'm not keeping my eyes shut. I'd be happy to look out for suspicious activity, its just that people like you expect me to "just know" that there is a crisis because its so "obvious".

It's not obvious. If you have information, share it rather than assuming everyone is as "educated" as you.

The CSM has not been created to police CCP internal breaches of trust. That is what Internal Affairs is for (and yes that was created as a response to T20. CCP realises that internal trust is needed for players to trust CCP)
The CSM's task is to voice player's interest, that's a different task, even if the player's interest may sometimes overlap with CCP's interest.