EVE General Discussion

conclusion: it's fine to report bots but it is not fine to report goons (or goon bots). Confusion solved, no real surprises.

(In fact the answer to any internal discussion about "omg botting is immoral and WRONG" used to be "if you want to report bots you are welcome to do so - in DRF space")

Someone get these two some medals.. LoL

This much we worked out on our own. Thank you for sharing. Perhaps have a chat with Endie and explain it to him for his next erudite explanation of Goon policy.

He MISSED that bit.....

Oh sorry. You're CSM!!!!! Been told to clarify your stance have we?!


Scarlet!! Sweetheart. WHAT took you sooooo long?

I did a thing.

Just for you.

And you failed me.

That was funny..

I guess that doesn't make such a good story, though.

For some reason I too agree with point one here.

If he still has the energy and will I wouldn't mind him being re-elected in any capacity so long as he continues to keep CCP on their toes.



Believe it or not I'm not a Goon alt! and nether do I have a brown tongue

No. YOU just said that. I actually said the opposite.

Some of you however seem to feel, given your protestations of misconduct and insinuations that we're willfully turning a blind eye, that we're missing something.

Here's your way to do something about that... if you know something's going on instead of making a post on the internet enlighten me. Send me the piles of information you clearly have to be making this determination and help me out a bit. I see a lot of posturing and mudslinging but thus far I've seen 0 people actually doing anything more than posturing on a forum.

Either you have evidence to be making your statements or you don't. If you do, the way to get it dealt with if you're really serious and not just making posts for attention which I can't IMAGINE anyone doing on the internet, is to send it to me. As a matter of fact, go ahead and post, but then send your information to me. If you're not doing that I can only assume you're full of poo, because I can't fathom someone actually having a reason to know something's occurring and claiming they want to see an end to it so badly that they don't actually do the one thing that could get it resolved.

Never seen a Dev posting to win a thread .. good to see you take your forum whoring seriously at least :D

But you ought to clarify, through official means (read: blog/wiki entry) what botting is, why it is bad for Eve, how best to identify a bot and why people should even care. Lots of erroneous perceptions out here.
Have your pet economist write an expose, he said he was considering an "illegal means" focused blog if I recall so feed him some data.

Understand that while there are many out there in a position to provide you information (those within 0.0 organizations who watch it happen) there are many many more of us that have knowledge of the actions with no first hand evidence to provide you.

The first retort to that would be "well you just don't know this is hearsay" and an obvious response that would be (not strawmaning or putting words into your or others mouths)

Fact is, many of us have left 0.0 due to undesireable activites (botting and more), many of us know people we can trust that see these things happen and are indifferent to it. There is also the smoke that leads us to believe there is fire.... the massive amounts of isk you can still buy online... the shear volumes of minerals and other resources that come out of the power blocks. That isn't earned totally by sweat shops or players that just LOVE to farm the legit way. It's done more.... efficiently... than one man per account per ship.

At the end of the day, only CCP (YOU) have the resources and the obligation to obtain this evidence and act on it. I completely agree with you that if people have data/info to share with CCP that can help they should come forward with it, but the onus is on YOU, CCP, not us.

You probably get petitions all the time from people in high sec seeing botting ice miners. If you expect player initiative to bring in the bots in 0.0 (fellow alliance mates ratting each other out) you are either willfully ignorant or just ignorant.

as an aside:
While I get what your trying to say, it could be construed by people such as myself that are already on the way out the door to keep walking. Either way, all this said, thank you for at least replying.... no one is perfect and we'd rather you reply with less than perfect responses than read and never comment (make us feel like you aren't there).

Again, I understand what you're trying to say, please reciprocate and understand what I'm trying to say.

It's my personal opinion, as I've said in this thread, that CCP does look the other way as there is little business impact to allowing a certain level of botfarming in the game (and we all know it's rampant in the superblocks as well as elsewhere). However the impact of widespread banning of botting players... that might hit the pocket book.

Am I wrong? Is it a measured acceptance that the higher levels of CCP permit through restricted allocation of resources towards eliminating the botting and RMT issue? I can only speculate. But I have a pretty good nose for these things both in game and RL. In an Eve online where we can barely get attention to FiS.... what are the odds your boss wants to throw resources at stopping what has been par for the course for 90% of eve's life?

And not to crap it up further with a cliche but.... if CCP takes this topic seriously we can only go on what actions we see happening, not what words we hear on the forums. CCP has made advances in the past chasing down the RMT trade however, whether those were scraps of meat to appease the dogs or serious operations with intent on shutting down an aspect of the game that ruins the gameplay for the rest of us... again, I can only speculate.

Quite. Mara should have said 'embolden'.