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Inferno And Datacores

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Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#1 - 2012-04-27 05:20:50 UTC
Someone posted a thread re; how theyre unhappy with some Eve mechanics, Eve as we know it is finnished, the end is nigh blah blah blah.

What I found interesting was that they mentioned inferno will directly affect Datacore farming; Anyone know whats gonna happen to Datacores in May?

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Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-27 06:25:38 UTC
It's not been confirmed as of yet, the closest was Soundwaves Ten Ton interview where he suggested the possibly they'd go into FW LP stores and said he'd cash out all your cores from the current system prior to inferno.
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-27 06:37:08 UTC
Just keep your eye out for any devblogs. This would be a significant change to the status quo, so it's going to be announced through official channels before it will be implemented on TQ.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-04-27 06:45:15 UTC
So long as I get all the science releated SP back, all the skill books to cash out, and what ever I earned all ready I couldn't care. I had already trained those over a year ago, but if they change it to straight up LP conversion in a store I don't have access to then I want the research skills and the research skill pre-req back...was almost 30 days worth of training and I want that back since I can no longer use them nor am I interested at all in any other research as industry building is ******* boring beyond setting some ammo to be built when I need it.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-04-27 06:50:45 UTC
The problem is, people aren't doing datacore farming for datacores, but as a source of free money.

3x Datacore Farming Alts that are also PI Alts at the same time = enough money for a PLEX or Two a Month, as I understand it. The fact it took them this long to fix such a horrific isk faucet is kinda sad.
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#6 - 2012-04-27 06:53:29 UTC
And I grinded all those lvl4 Rand D agents, at least havent trained much research skills yet, phew!

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Arcan Winter
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-04-27 06:57:04 UTC
Assume all they need to do with the current datacore from agents is: unless you solve the mission that thay give you within 24h you stop earning RP. It will easily stop passive datacore farming....
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-04-27 07:11:17 UTC
Xython wrote:
The problem is, people aren't doing datacore farming for datacores, but as a source of free money.

3x Datacore Farming Alts that are also PI Alts at the same time = enough money for a PLEX or Two a Month, as I understand it. The fact it took them this long to fix such a horrific isk faucet is kinda sad.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-04-27 14:30:36 UTC
As for the reference CCP made about Data Cores:

CCP said they were looking into increasing the amount of Research Point's needed for civilians to redeem Data Cores and maybe even have a small ISK fee included with the redemption.

As a civilian I have a problem with that considering there was a lot of time spent training up skills and building up standings to access high level R&D Agents. As such, I don't think there should be any change done to the civilian cost and I'm certain a lot of other civilians would also agree with that.

FYI - Data Cores from R&D Agents are not a big ISK printing press. The amount of ISK gained by selling Data Cores in market is extremely low when compared to the amount of time it took to acquire those Data Cores. This is not something that enables players to get rich quick. I don't know where CCP got the idea that it's an ATM machine but they are obviously mistaken.

CCP said they are looking to increase rewards for Factional Warfare players by adding Data Cores to the FW LP Store at a reduced rate compared to the civilian cost. Right now the cost of items in the FW LP Store is roughly about 60% of the regular LP Store cost. With the current revision plans pertaining to FW LP's, those Data Cores will be very cheap for Militia members.

I don't see a problem with FW LP Stores selling Data Cores at a reduced rate compared to the civilian cost. However, I think the FW Data Cores should also require the appropriate Science skills for redemption. If not, I imagine there will be some rage threads posted about that. If CCP plans on retiring R&D Agents, then an option to reimburse Research Project Management skill points should be offered to civilians. The rest of the Science skills are still needed for invention and manufacturing.

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SlapNuts
Lost Wacko's
#10 - 2012-04-27 14:44:21 UTC

Rewards, requirements and sometimes what skills give you can and have been changed over the years by CCP. I used to have Research agents for the T2 lottery, then they changed it to data cores witch paid out a lot when they were introduced. The current market for data cores suck as a money maker IMO. I think most vets just sit on them collecting the data cores every year or more and the return on that is not that great either.

i would love a system to regain certain skills points, not just these and put them into things that are actually usefull for me but thats not about to happen any time soon so just sit back and take the changes CCp gives you, cause there is nothing we can do about it, waisted skills are waisted skills, at least with data cores you can upgrade a clone =)
AFK Hauler
State War Academy
#11 - 2012-04-27 15:06:34 UTC
Xython wrote:
The problem is, people aren't doing datacore farming for datacores, but as a source of free money.

3x Datacore Farming Alts that are also PI Alts at the same time = enough money for a PLEX or Two a Month, as I understand it. The fact it took them this long to fix such a horrific isk faucet is kinda sad.



CCP misuses it's own terms sometimes and I do not like it...

"Printing ISK like an ATM" is the term I hear used regarding datacores from TWO different developers.
This is simply not true as the defined terms outlined by SEVERAL other developers.

ISK does NOT enter the game by datacores - period!
This is a false primes to use in justifying the upcoming research agent nerf!

Datacores are purchased and sold in the market at player controlled rates. That is not the same as introducing ISK into the game similar to bounties and mission running.
There is NO inflationary pressures caused by datacore purchases and reselling.

This will have unintended consequences that I believe CCP is not clearly thinking through.
T2 items will increase in price.
People will not play faction who RP now just because you want them to.
The ISK distribution will shift to PvP players, not industrialists who build materials ank maintain downward pressure on market prices.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-04-27 15:10:54 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Someone posted a thread re; how theyre unhappy with some Eve mechanics, Eve as we know it is finnished, the end is nigh blah blah blah.

What I found interesting was that they mentioned inferno will directly affect Datacore farming; Anyone know whats gonna happen to Datacores in May?


I believe his quote was to the effect of

If youre smart you'll cash in before the change
With a widening of eyes like it was REALLY obvious.

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#13 - 2012-04-27 15:13:27 UTC
I am rather curious about this myself as it was suggested to me just the other night to try jumping in to R&D for some side cash. Picked up 2 skills to train and got one L1 agent going. I have no plans to make this a primary income by no means but just something to stop by and do during 'downtime'

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Urgg Boolean
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-04-27 15:26:14 UTC
Xython wrote:
The problem is, people aren't doing datacore farming for datacores, but as a source of free money.

3x Datacore Farming Alts that are also PI Alts at the same time = enough money for a PLEX or Two a Month, as I understand it. The fact it took them this long to fix such a horrific isk faucet is kinda sad.

Emphasis on "problem" ??? Why is this a problem? I never have trouble selling my datacores, so somebody needs them. Seems like a valid business enterprise to me, and I am helping to supply needed materials to satisfy a hungry public.

Also, and I think others have mentioned this, we had to grind standings to have access to the R&D agents as well as train a lenghty skills pathway. Therefore, we have made fairly large investments to build a passive income stream - "free ISK" it is not.

So is the real motivation for this change because Research as a business is costing CCP profits, as in training up my two alts to do R&D and buying PLEX with the profits? Well, I don't do that.

But if this is CCP's thinking, then simply restrict access to R&D agents (or the Research skills tree) to one toon per account. In my mind this is similar to skills restrictions on trial accounts. I'd be fine with that. But to make radical changes to the datacore market is uncalled for.

P.S. I'm selling the last of my datacores tomorrow because the foreshadowing on the Ten Ton Hammer vid is has the feel of a steam roller ...
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-04-27 16:13:17 UTC
Xython wrote:
The problem is, people aren't doing datacore farming for datacores, but as a source of free money.

3x Datacore Farming Alts that are also PI Alts at the same time = enough money for a PLEX or Two a Month, as I understand it. The fact it took them this long to fix such a horrific isk faucet is kinda sad.

Please, Mr. Scientist, explain how Datacores or PI is an "isk faucet". HINT: They aren't, because no new isk enters the game because of them.

Isk faucets are (for example) bounties, where you get isk from npc's, that would not have existed except for your actions.


Taking someone else' isk for your datacores/PI brings in no new isk, so therefore is *not* an isk faucet.

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#16 - 2012-04-27 16:30:38 UTC
It's kind of wierd. A few years ago when they nerfed shadow training, the datacore thing came up and they chose to not nerf it out. Now they are saying it's a problem.
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#17 - 2012-04-27 16:36:02 UTC
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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#18 - 2012-04-27 17:07:47 UTC
Xython wrote:
The problem is, people aren't doing datacore farming for datacores, but as a source of free money.

3x Datacore Farming Alts that are also PI Alts at the same time = enough money for a PLEX or Two a Month, as I understand it. The fact it took them this long to fix such a horrific isk faucet is kinda sad.

But it's still market transactions. Supply and demand. Who cares if people don't do them for the cores but to sell on the market? That's like saying miners who don't use their ore to build stuff are just mining for money.

If they make cores harder to obtain (ie faction warfare) then then price of T2 items will go up dramatically. Case in point, drone poo nerf.

And yes, I have two data core alts but that isk is a drop in the bucket compared to everything else I can do. I seriously don't see the problem with the current system.

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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-04-27 19:03:25 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:
Xython wrote:
The problem is, people aren't doing datacore farming for datacores, but as a source of free money.

3x Datacore Farming Alts that are also PI Alts at the same time = enough money for a PLEX or Two a Month, as I understand it. The fact it took them this long to fix such a horrific isk faucet is kinda sad.

Emphasis on "problem" ??? Why is this a problem? I never have trouble selling my datacores, so somebody needs them. Seems like a valid business enterprise to me, and I am helping to supply needed materials to satisfy a hungry public.

Also, and I think others have mentioned this, we had to grind standings to have access to the R&D agents as well as train a lenghty skills pathway. Therefore, we have made fairly large investments to build a passive income stream - "free ISK" it is not.

So is the real motivation for this change because Research as a business is costing CCP profits, as in training up my two alts to do R&D and buying PLEX with the profits? Well, I don't do that.

But if this is CCP's thinking, then simply restrict access to R&D agents (or the Research skills tree) to one toon per account. In my mind this is similar to skills restrictions on trial accounts. I'd be fine with that. But to make radical changes to the datacore market is uncalled for.

P.S. I'm selling the last of my datacores tomorrow because the foreshadowing on the Ten Ton Hammer vid is has the feel of a steam roller ...

If I recall correctly, it was to do several things:

A) Give new incentive to Faction War,
B) Remove AFK wealth generation...
C) Promote more player interaction (beyond the market).

Also - No, Research as a business is *not* costing CCP a cent... You can't buy a plex (for in game money) that wasn't bought and payed for by someone. So CCP gets their money either way. As an aside, if you are able to use plex to pay for your account, CCP makes more money than someone who pays for their account with the "one year subscription". Look at the cost of plex/month of game time in your local currency, and the cost of each month of game time on a one year subscription.

Plex makes CCP more money than regular subscriptions (across the board, I think).

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#20 - 2012-04-27 19:24:49 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
It's not been confirmed as of yet, the closest was Soundwaves Ten Ton interview where he suggested the possibly they'd go into FW LP stores and said he'd cash out all your cores from the current system prior to inferno.


I can live with that as long as they cash out the SP that I spent 60 days training to get Research Project Management to level 5 for the sole reason of collecting datacores from the maximum agents. Unless you can still run agents and the FW stuff is in addition too, and not instead of.

In any case I will be following this closely as I have a lot of SP over a lot of characters that are dedicated researcher/ inventors. At this point it's mostly speculation and guesses.

Mr Epeen Cool
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