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To all the whiners about high sec

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Lady Hofstedar
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-04-26 22:39:37 UTC
Hi

I live in high sec. I make more than enough ISK to plex three accounts.
I don't live on EvE.
Im married with three kids and a full time job.

You complain you can't make ISK L2P. It's that simple

Level 3-4 missions / loot (refine it, sell the meta 3/4) salvage (make rigs, prices are up)
Bounties
Exploration
WH Sneaky sleeper hits
Use LP to buy crap to make ISK

Mining ? Er No thanks

So my *comment* is quite simple. If you can't make ISK in high sec, your doing it wrong :)

Wanna hate me? Go ahead :) Nerd Rage is awsum
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-04-26 22:41:20 UTC
I hate you, but it's because of your tanlines Ugh

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Lady Hofstedar
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-04-26 22:42:23 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I hate you, but it's because of your tanlines Ugh


dude there awsum :(
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-04-26 22:45:24 UTC
Your obvious problem is that you're playing your own game. Stop it. Play theirs. Fit your ships like theirs. Use their memes. Follow the group-think of the disgraced lawyer. Dog-pile like they do in CAOD. Get your crap together, man.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#5 - 2012-04-26 23:14:39 UTC
Cool story bro.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Lady Hofstedar
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-04-26 23:25:15 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:
Your obvious problem is that you're playing your own game. Stop it. Play theirs. Fit your ships like theirs. Use their memes. Follow the group-think of the disgraced lawyer. Dog-pile like they do in CAOD. Get your crap together, man.


Ah shite :/ so i has to be a sheep to fit in ::( Darn It!
Bohoba
#7 - 2012-04-26 23:29:13 UTC
mine Ice it is good :)


hehe
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#8 - 2012-04-26 23:29:47 UTC
I like sheep, they are good eatin

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
TWHC Assistant
#9 - 2012-04-26 23:35:59 UTC
OP forgot PI, trading and research. Gives extra ISKs for no work. Just install a PI program once or twice a day, same with checking your buy and sell orders, and research can run for up to 30 days. And now I forgot to mention my RP agents, which should be sitting on tens of thousands RPs. No idea when I get to them ...
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#10 - 2012-04-26 23:37:58 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
I like sheep, they are good eatin


needs mint sauce to be complete

OP I agree with you, I do pretty much the same but I'm only plexing the one account at the moment, my mining/wh account is inactive.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-04-27 00:01:58 UTC
I always think its funny. Ppl scream this game is a sandbox when its convenient to their argument then when they wanna talk about how lvl 4s shouldnt be in high sec they justify it with things like "well high sec is the beginner area and 0.0/low is endgame" like this ISNT A sandbox and is in fact a linear game like WoW. They think you shouldnt be able to make a living and play in High sec cause thats just a starter zone that leads to the real game.

Which is it? Is it a sandbox where you can live, play and make a living anywhere you choose or is it a linear game where theres a beginning, middle and end?

Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong?

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#12 - 2012-04-27 00:03:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong?

It's so everyone but goons can play the way they want.

The solution that people have proposed is to just ban us all, then you can see how those two statements will line up perfectly ~<3
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
I like sheep, they are good eatin

needs mint sauce to be complete

Mint does go well with lamb.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#13 - 2012-04-27 00:05:30 UTC
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
I hate you, but it's because of your tanlines Ugh


dude there awsum :(


Pearl necklace fail.

This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.

"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#14 - 2012-04-27 01:29:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Thor Kerrigan
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
I always think its funny. Ppl scream this game is a sandbox when its convenient to their argument then when they wanna talk about how lvl 4s shouldnt be in high sec they justify it with things like "well high sec is the beginner area and 0.0/low is endgame" like this ISNT A sandbox and is in fact a linear game like WoW. They think you shouldnt be able to make a living and play in High sec cause thats just a starter zone that leads to the real game.

Which is it? Is it a sandbox where you can live, play and make a living anywhere you choose or is it a linear game where theres a beginning, middle and end?

Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong?


I honestly would not mind level 4's being moved to lowsec. I can run them as easily in lowsec as I can in a 0.5 system. My issue is that there is almost no difference in payout between as 0.4 L4 and a 0.5 L4. The risk is far greater and rewards in lowsec should be doubled. Triple them in nullsec.

If your highsec mission sends you to lowsec, same deal, double the rewards instantly. At least make it clear that lowsec pays much better, not some mere 5 to 10% more profit. I agree with the carebears when they say the risk is simply not worth the reward.

EDIT: At least they got the deadpsace/level 5's payoff right. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
Corbin Blair
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-04-27 01:41:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Corbin Blair
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
Hi

I live in high sec. I make more than enough ISK to plex three accounts.
I don't live on EvE.
Im married with three kids and a full time job.

You complain you can't make ISK L2P. It's that simple

Level 3-4 missions / loot (refine it, sell the meta 3/4) salvage (make rigs, prices are up)
Bounties
Exploration
WH Sneaky sleeper hits
Use LP to buy crap to make ISK

Mining ? Er No thanks

So my *comment* is quite simple. If you can't make ISK in high sec, your doing it wrong :)

Wanna hate me? Go ahead :) Nerd Rage is awsum

I hate you, but that's because you live in high sec and aren't a newbie anymore. If it makes you feel any better this post made me hate you significantly less than usual.

Alavaria Fera wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong?

It's so everyone but goons can play the way they want.

The solution that people have proposed is to just ban us all, then you can see how those two statements will line up perfectly ~<3
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
I like sheep, they are good eatin

needs mint sauce to be complete

Mint does go well with lamb.

BBQ sauce? Ketchup? Worcestershire? I'm not fancy enough to know what goes with lamb.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#16 - 2012-04-27 01:42:54 UTC
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
I always think its funny. Ppl scream this game is a sandbox when its convenient to their argument then when they wanna talk about how lvl 4s shouldnt be in high sec they justify it with things like "well high sec is the beginner area and 0.0/low is endgame" like this ISNT A sandbox and is in fact a linear game like WoW. They think you shouldnt be able to make a living and play in High sec cause thats just a starter zone that leads to the real game.

Which is it? Is it a sandbox where you can live, play and make a living anywhere you choose or is it a linear game where theres a beginning, middle and end?

Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong?

Concord are a form of anti-sandbox mechanics that were introduced because they were necessary to protect starter areas and trade hubs, these kind of guards are common in all games.

Ideally concord would not exist, but it genuinely is necessary or the game would simply be too unfriendly to new players to prosper, however such a compromise exists only to benefit new players and to reduce the learning curve of the game. High profit areas protected by concord violates that compromise.

You have to realise for a lot of us this game would be preferable if it were entirely null sec, but obviously new players would find it a steep learning curve. The issue is with convincing those players to begin learning at all, unfortunately at the moment high sec has overstepped its boundaries, violated the balance and compromise originally intended and has become something it was never intended to be.

I think CCP are beginning to correct this, hopefully they will eventually succeed.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Corbin Blair
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-04-27 01:54:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Corbin Blair
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
I always think its funny. Ppl scream this game is a sandbox when its convenient to their argument then when they wanna talk about how lvl 4s shouldnt be in high sec they justify it with things like "well high sec is the beginner area and 0.0/low is endgame" like this ISNT A sandbox and is in fact a linear game like WoW. They think you shouldnt be able to make a living and play in High sec cause thats just a starter zone that leads to the real game.

Which is it? Is it a sandbox where you can live, play and make a living anywhere you choose or is it a linear game where theres a beginning, middle and end?

Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong?

Concord are a form of anti-sandbox mechanics that were introduced because they were necessary to protect starter areas and trade hubs, these kind of guards are common in all games.

Ideally concord would not exist, but it genuinely is necessary or the game would simply be too unfriendly to new players to prosper, however such a compromise exists only to benefit new players and to reduce the learning curve of the game. High profit areas protected by concord violates that compromise.

You have to realise for a lot of us this game would be preferable if it were entirely null sec, but obviously new players would find it a steep learning curve. The issue is with convincing those players to begin learning at all, unfortunately at the moment high sec has overstepped its boundaries, violated the balance and compromise originally intended and has become something it was never intended to be.

I think CCP are beginning to correct this, hopefully they will eventually succeed.

I'm still against the concord buff that made them invincible. In my day they kept spawning bigger and bigger waves until you eventually died, but you could fight back against them the same as any NPC. Believe it or not I never got attacked in high sec. As far as I know that only became a thing once they made it so much "safer" (excluding the m0o antics that caused the buff in the first place of course).
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#18 - 2012-04-27 02:02:41 UTC
Yeah, I wish I'd been around back then, I would love to have experienced Eve without an omnipotent concord. I think a lot of people forget how Eve started out when they wildly claim Eve wouldn't function if CCP "gave into the gankers".

Since 2008, when I joined, I am yet to really see any extensive changes benefiting non-consensual PvP. Yet to hear some people speak you would think Eve started off all sunshine and lollipops, and has become more dangerous over the years. The reality is the complete reverse.

Anyway, if it wasn't for CCP's single shard policy I'd love to see them stick a classic server up for a week or two. Just to try out.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#19 - 2012-04-27 02:05:02 UTC
Lady Hofstedar wrote:
Hi

I live in high sec. I make more than enough ISK to plex three accounts.
I don't live on EvE.
Im married with three kids and a full time job.

You complain you can't make ISK L2P. It's that simple

Level 3-4 missions / loot (refine it, sell the meta 3/4) salvage (make rigs, prices are up)
Bounties
Exploration
WH Sneaky sleeper hits
Use LP to buy crap to make ISK

Mining ? Er No thanks

So my *comment* is quite simple. If you can't make ISK in high sec, your doing it wrong :)

Wanna hate me? Go ahead :) Nerd Rage is awsum


Arguing with the voices in your head again? Let us know who wins.
Sigurd Sig Hansen
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-04-27 02:06:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Sigurd Sig Hansen
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong?

It's so everyone but goons can play the way they want.



Did I say that? no...
Unless of course "the way you want" is to destroy the game as your organization has stated in the past they are trying to do then yes that would be bad as I LIKE this game. If you dont, given your want to destroy it, find another game rather than destroying this one?

Corbin Blair wrote:
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Sigurd Sig Hansen wrote:
I always think its funny. Ppl scream this game is a sandbox when its convenient to their argument then when they wanna talk about how lvl 4s shouldnt be in high sec they justify it with things like "well high sec is the beginner area and 0.0/low is endgame" like this ISNT A sandbox and is in fact a linear game like WoW. They think you shouldnt be able to make a living and play in High sec cause thats just a starter zone that leads to the real game.

Which is it? Is it a sandbox where you can live, play and make a living anywhere you choose or is it a linear game where theres a beginning, middle and end?

Then again Ive been told that I dont understand the sandbox too... I thought the sandbox was everyone can play the way they want... Is that wrong?

Concord are a form of anti-sandbox mechanics that were introduced because they were necessary to protect starter areas and trade hubs, these kind of guards are common in all games.

Ideally concord would not exist, but it genuinely is necessary or the game would simply be too unfriendly to new players to prosper, however such a compromise exists only to benefit new players and to reduce the learning curve of the game. High profit areas protected by concord violates that compromise.

You have to realise for a lot of us this game would be preferable if it were entirely null sec, but obviously new players would find it a steep learning curve. The issue is with convincing those players to begin learning at all, unfortunately at the moment high sec has overstepped its boundaries, violated the balance and compromise originally intended and has become something it was never intended to be.

I think CCP are beginning to correct this, hopefully they will eventually succeed.

I'm still against the concord buff that made them invincible. In my day they kept spawning bigger and bigger waves until you eventually died, but you could fight back against them the same as any NPC. Believe it or not I never got attacked in high sec. As far as I know that only became a thing once they made it so much "safer" (excluding the m0o antics that caused the buff in the first place of course).


meh as far as ive ever beeen in the game its been an exploit to survive them :p

Mining is the "Deadliest Catch" in this game
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