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CCP where's the Wormhole NERFS WHY ARE THEY GETTING OFF SCOT FREE?? BURN EVE RYONE equally

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Anunzi
Solace Corp
#261 - 2012-04-26 10:44:19 UTC
Simi Kusoni wrote:
13 pages of people disagreeing with him and he's still going, got to be some kind of record.

Anyone want to take bets on how many pages this reaches before it gets locked?



Soon with any luck. The op will never understand anyones view point other than his own it seems.

Either that or he's just an unusually articulate troll....

"It was the way she said it, Rimmer, to rhyme with scum"
Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#262 - 2012-04-26 11:28:59 UTC
What part about "risk free" highsec isk making ventures are you confusing with local free, stuck on grid for 20 mins to an hour, when pvp can happen at any moment?

And how about the fact that there are a limited number of sites, not infinitely respawning sites every day?

The problem was that vanguards payed out too much for the minuscule amount of risk associated with them compared to other risk-free highsec methods of making isk (lvl 4s, for the most part).

Risk vs reward, nuff said.
Prophet Avater
Imperium Technologies
Sigma Grindset
#263 - 2012-04-26 11:41:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Prophet Avater
DarthNefarius wrote:
Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house


Because CCP want's people to move away from high sec into WH space, if null sec is like the wild west, wh space is hell for the average high sec care bear.
Rekon X
Doomheim
#264 - 2012-04-26 11:51:32 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Incursions getting nerfed & drone alloys getting nerfed why are the blue loot NPC buy orders not getting nerfed to to help with the inflation?!?! The Pax Amarrian nerf was a good precendent of a NPC sell order which was balanced next the sleeper blue loot NPC buy order should be cut in the name of balance. A possible bounty 10% cut is being thrown around too by CCP Soundwave. Only one currenntly smelling like a rose is the Wormhole residents with the Escalation to Inferno. Lets have the current inflation mean the end fo Empire NPC's no longer being able to affford to buy sleeper crap (NPC buy orders) which is non ribbons (blue loot) which acually adds something to Eve & empire ( at least with Incursions Capsuleers are providing a service to Empire residents what has blueloot added to Empire's security? ) . LETS HAVE EVERYONE FEEL THE PAIN OF ESCALATING INFERNO[:!: A pox on EVERYONE'S house


If wormhole systems are so great, why aren't you in there raking it in? Hmm, let's see, because of the risk.

I don't care what you think, if you ever think at all.
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#265 - 2012-04-26 14:07:15 UTC
On the plus side, OP, you've created a massive thread full of good arguements.

On the negative, all the arguements are against you, revealing you for the moron you are.


To keep it fair and inline with wormholes, OP, let's make every system that spawns an incursion 0.0
Let's also remove local and gates.
Hey whilst we're at it, we should make each system only have 1 or 2 sites respawn a day.
Oh AND we should make it so that people can enter that system from any part of space.

Once we've done that, lets make you have to find and carry your loot for several jumps before you can sell it.
Don't worry though, we'll make it so that when you find a way out of your system with no gates that the exit has a chance of collapsing via mass or time.

If that isn't fair enough, how about we make you keep all of your ships inside a structure that can be destroyed.
Hey, let's make you pay for that structure too AND FUEL IT!
Let's also make it so that other people have access to your stuff.

There are a whole lot more fun things we have to do to make incursions = wormholes but then incursions would = wormholes.

Wait, why are we comparing these two again?

Dumbass.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#266 - 2012-04-27 09:31:06 UTC
Must be nice to be let alone from CCP in Wormhole space ... I guess I should make it my mission to go where ever CCP is ignoring to carve out my own happy niche in Eve.
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#267 - 2012-04-27 09:55:10 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Must be nice to be let alone from CCP in Wormhole space ... I guess I should make it my mission to go where ever CCP is ignoring to carve out my own happy niche in Eve.

By all means, please, move in to wormhole space. Especially since we know this your main.

I would be happy to take a few t3s off your hands, I hear they drop good loot and salvage pretty well too.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#268 - 2012-04-27 09:58:30 UTC
He doesn't even read what other people post, just rants on inane.

Should be banned.

.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#269 - 2012-04-27 10:24:44 UTC
Roime wrote:
He doesn't even read what other people post, just rants on inane.

Should be banned.

Yeah, but this thread is making an epic case for buffing wormholes so I say let it be.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#270 - 2012-04-27 10:28:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
DarthNefarius wrote:
Must be nice to be let alone from CCP in Wormhole space ... I guess I should make it my mission to go where ever CCP is ignoring to carve out my own happy niche in Eve.


You could but are your really cut out for it?

Wormhole life comes with real (well real virtual) risks attached unlike HiSec Incursions. We don't have the soft fluffy cushions of station living with infinite and theft proof storage, easy repair, cloning facilities or easy risk free access to the market.

Every post of yours I've seen has failed to look past the cash that could be earned and to take into account the underlying costs (both ISK and time) and risks of the lifestyle.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#271 - 2012-04-27 12:46:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tasiv Deka
this thread has been quite the read and i hope to get many more days of enjoyment out of it

also adding that just because someone lives outside a wormhole they dont raid them on occasion... ( i've watched a many of people do just that and have heard the testimonies)

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Michael1995
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#272 - 2012-04-27 13:36:06 UTC
Yes, it is nice that CCP isn't needlessly nerfing W-space. What?

I do hear that sleeper dreadnoughts might be introduced because they don't like capital escalations the way they are. I take that as a buff though, gotta keep that bearing top notch in the best part of EVE. Blink

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Tasiv Deka
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#273 - 2012-04-27 17:27:56 UTC
Michael1995 wrote:
Yes, it is nice that CCP isn't needlessly nerfing W-space. What?

I do hear that sleeper dreadnoughts might be introduced because they don't like capital escalations the way they are. I take that as a buff though, gotta keep that bearing top notch in the best part of EVE. Blink


while my wormhole experieince at the time of this post is mostly randomly spying on others wormholes and doing a couple c1 (or 2s i cant really remember) i can say i would love the oppurtunity to fight a sleeper dread...

Oh, Do go on... no seriously ive got nothing better to do then listen to all the petty arguments and feeble trolling attempts... 

The sad thing is i'm not sure if i'm telling the truth.
Helen Nearning
Doomheim
#274 - 2012-04-27 17:45:48 UTC
Must be nice to live in la-la land. The OP needs to look at all the ships lost getting the blue loot. If WH loot is roughly the same isk faucet as wh's you are only looking at half of the equation. WH isk - all the poor ships that are blown up in wh sites = way less than incursion isk.

Given that, it would seem they either need to buff wh isk or nerf incursion isk.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#275 - 2012-04-27 23:48:25 UTC
Helen Nearning wrote:
Must be nice to live in la-la land. The OP needs to look at all the ships lost getting the blue loot. If WH loot is roughly the same isk faucet as wh's you are only looking at half of the equation. WH isk - all the poor ships that are blown up in wh sites = way less than incursion isk.

Given that, it would seem they either need to buff wh isk or nerf incursion isk.


You are incorrect WH sleeper ISK injection is slightly greater then Incursion ISK for every month of Incursions existance except possibly 1. WH sleeper nano ribbons on top of blue loot more then make up for ship losses from what I hear ( tuff to find any hard numbers on that though )
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#276 - 2012-04-27 23:57:40 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Helen Nearning wrote:
Must be nice to live in la-la land. The OP needs to look at all the ships lost getting the blue loot. If WH loot is roughly the same isk faucet as wh's you are only looking at half of the equation. WH isk - all the poor ships that are blown up in wh sites = way less than incursion isk.

Given that, it would seem they either need to buff wh isk or nerf incursion isk.


You are incorrect WH sleeper ISK injection is slightly greater then Incursion ISK for every month of Incursions existance except possibly 1. WH sleeper nano ribbons on top of blue loot more then make up for ship losses from what I hear ( tuff to find any hard numbers on that though )

Sleeper isk injection is slightly higher than Incursion Isk injection, and done by more people (i think we proved that earlier) with way higher risks.


That's why WH's aren't being touched, and you know it.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#277 - 2012-04-30 11:20:55 UTC
CCP I'm still asking why there is no Inferno in the worm hole? QuestionQuestion
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#278 - 2012-04-30 11:22:31 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
[quote=DarthNefarius][quote=Helen Nearning]
Sleeper isk injection is slightly higher than Incursion Isk injection, and done by more people (i think we proved that earlier) with way higher risks.

.

You didn't prove jack shite
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#279 - 2012-04-30 11:26:17 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
You didn't prove jack shite


DarthNefarius wrote:
Listen to Dr E you obviously haven't... he states in the writing of a graph the percentage of Eve doing incursion he also states the number of peeps living in WH's ( ergo the the number of people doing sites is less unless 100% of them are).

This is kind of the point, you've clearly never run wormholes, yet have chosen to comment on them. The number of people running wormhole sites is not <= the number of people living in them.

People scan down sites in high sec, jump in and run c1/c2 wormholes in their drakes or overpriced tengus. Similarly, people scan down C3s in low sec and do the same, a lot of major null sec alliances scan down c5/c6 whs and have entire capital ops where they jump in and clear capital escalation sites. In fact recently I think -A- took over a few WH systems for this very purpose.

None of these people live in wormholes, they live in high sec, low sec and null sec, yet they likely contribute just as much to the total amount of blue loot farmed as any WH dweller. And this is why your stats are completely useless, because the number of people living in wormholes, which is hard to calculate accurately anyway, is not even remotely related to the number of people raiding wormholes for PvE content.

DarthNefarius wrote:
If you cannot connect the dots & do the math I suggest remedial algebra. So where are your numbers comming from ( oh wait there are no numbers so yours are straight outta your bum ) It would be nice if there was a published number of peeps doing WH sites but the numbers he provides just shows the people doing Incursion sites ( HI/LO/NULL ) vs the number living in WH space.

If you're talking about the graph showing the number of incursions runners that is fairly useless for your purposes for the reason stated above. But, assuming it was useful, that looks like ~17,000 people running incursions, right?

How many active subscribers does Eve online have? >400,000 as of last month? And 5.4% of them are in wormholes?

400,000 x 0.054 = 21,600

So there are 4,000 more people "living" in wormholes, than there are running incursions? Oh wow, and people raid WHs on top of that?

Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#280 - 2012-04-30 11:27:41 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Simi Kusoni wrote:
Now GTFO Darth and never try and use statistics to support your terrible ideas again.


You talking to me about statisics?!?!? lol You've never ever shown one xcept crude outta your arse
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'