Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I was pondering the general workings of wormhole collapse and how this is currently causing some issues.

This is more a question then a suggestion..

Would it be possible to reverse the general mechanics of how and why wormholes collapse?

So when you scan a wormhole it gets a size instead. So only a specific class and mass can pass through it.

It has a volatility class, deciding how long and how much momentum its got. Basically how fast it will take to remove its opening.

Each time a ship passes through it grows and lasts a little longer, depending on how much energy is transfered to it. This would be speed and mass product.

The point is with this players could stabilize, and unstabilize the wormholes and the access to and from wormholes.

The math should depend on number of open wormholes in total and the energies going in and out be "balanced"

It would change the way wormhole exploration and controls were handled..

I am also thinking this type of direction would be better than the talks of actual stabilizers as POS installations. While giving some control to open as well as close the doors to WH space.

NO, a change like this would **** over wormholes as we know them, and make it way easier to invade other systems with capitals.


Are you an AAA alt?

So if I jump enough rifters through a WH, eventually I could pack the system on the other side with supercaps?

I'm going to ask the question everyone is thinking, are you an IDIOT?

I do believe that the way some WH corporations and alliances can become entrenched is detrimental to the game though, it would be nice if they could attack each other a little more effectively. Especially in smaller class wormholes.

Currently once you have a certain number of capitals in a WH system you can literally become entrenched to the point where you cannot be removed, this is probably bad.

If they introduce mechanics to fix it though, it should be mechanics that limit it to only being used for large operations with the objective of taking control of the wormhole. Perhaps by introducing wormhole "stabilizers" that are produced with ribbons etc. and cost billions and billions of ISK for a single use.

In that way they could be used for a one off movement of large fleets into a wormhole you wish to attack, but would never be used under normal circumstances for ganking.

Either way, IMHO wormholes are currently pretty balanced in every other respect.

Extending on this.. Would it be unbalancing if WH to WH openings could be stabilized by moving mass as described? This would retain the "isolation", but bring options to stage agains other wormhole entities?

Also as mentioned above mapping such pathways in regards to size opening, last reported usage, and estimated size and time to dispersal? So WH would be like digging through the general systems of EVE like an underground, where they can appear rather spontaneous and at very different size? Might even make WH a lot more interesting as a connective aspect between null and empire..

Not really, because that makes it too easy to stabilize wormholes. It also means you'd be able to jump in and gank at will, with a fleet size of your choosing.

Requiring some kind of large, expensive stabilizer would at least mean you'd have to plan a little. And you'd have to risk a multi-billion ISK module by getting it into position and, presumably, anchoring it on the wormhole.


Hmm, what do you mean by connecting null and empire? They already can be relatively useful for moving stuff about when you find a good path, I move loot quite often from syndicate/aridia to the Jita area via wormholes whenever I find a decent route.

Unless you mean connecting null and empire for large fleets or large moving ops? In which case in all honesty logistics in that regard is too easy already, if anything that kind of logistics needs to be nerfed.

Any form of mechanic that gets added to the game, that allows more mass through a WH will BREAK WH space.

The reason you do not see blobs in WH is because the pvp scale is small, the largest ever fleet to move through a WH was starbridge russians when they invaded aquila.

That fleet was only around 140 in size.

Now if they jumped that 140 into the WH and expanded it, is it fair they can then bring in 10-15 dreads to siege our pos'? no its not.

The problem with your suggestion is, it "encourages" blobbin, just like nullsec. People blob because they can, in wh space they are denied this.

You change it and you turn WH space into another broken game mechanics just like current sov warfare and cap warfare. The bigger blob wins.

People who aren't friends aren't that likely to share intel.

It would be very game breaking. How, exactly, would you dislodge an alliance that spent the time to get half a dozen supercapitals into a wormhole? Or more? What happens if someone like PL gets their entire super fleet into one?

vote no. I see no reason to prop whs open so people can bring in crazy large fleets with huge mass. Work around the limitation.