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To iterate somewhat on cApAc aMaRu's comment:

While ships within ship-classes have to be balanced against each other, ship-classes have to be balanced against other ship-classes. You can achieve perfect balance within a ship-class, with the ship-class itself still being utterly out of whack with the rest of the game.

And if you then take into consideration how long it took to get Assault Ships balanced, or the Destroyer buff, you have an idea what it means to screw with the entire system, start to finish. By the time they're done "re-balancing" the last ship-class, they can (read: have to) start re-re-balancing the entire thing, because the ship-classes they re-balanced first had no valid reference points.

So, the odds are that CCP will continue tweaking ships into the indefinite future... as they have going back as far as you please.

I guess I don't see the problem.

The near-term rebalancing is because they're eliminating tiers, so there's no longer any reason for the "fast" frigates to have fewer slots and fitting options than the "brawler" frigates, and so on. Once they have the frigates balanced with respect to each other, they have a good reference baseline for the rest of the ship classes. That isn't perfect, but perfection is impossible under the circumstances, so good enough will have to do.

I'm excited about this. The Atron is a fun ship to fly. It will be nice to have a sound tactical reason to fly it outside of newbie missions.

I did it on 3 chars, (BC and Destr. to 5) good thing I was already remaped on perc.

When are you going to balance industrial ships ?

Eve cried out for more ships, better ships. And some joker thought "yeah why not. stick BS size guns on a battlecruiser hull. That will make the masses shut the **** up for the next 12 months.."

Thereby ensuring any f***wit with 6 months game time can gank Industrials to their hearts content in high sec space.

Way to go CCP.

I agree to the HEL requiring a touch up. I dont believe the Nidd requires anything though. In triage they are the ultimate repping platform with both armor and shield rep amount/distance.

However the HEL is rather gimped compared to the rest.

Minny ships have always been rather radical in their high/mid/low slot configuration. While i have no issue with the mids/lows on a HEL, i think its ship bonus needs to be poked. Capital Shield Reppers are in the game for a reason. For local reps but no one uses them because they provide inadequate reps per second.

How about a 7.5% to shield boost per level .... bring back active tanking

... while your at it .. let crystal sets effect capital mods.

You still have the weakness of being neuted to death

Do something different ... be radical - as i said earlier .. minny ships have always been different.

Battleship V needs to remain a prerequisite for capitals, there are already far too many capital ship pilots in this game and removing said requirement will make it Capital Online. Man up and train it, it's worth it for the extra bonuses on your Battleship anyways.

and what of the case of partially trained skills..... say you have BC IV trained ~80% of the way... given you have the pre-req skills trained for the racials will you have BC IV ~80% on each racial?

not fussed either way about the skill changes , but I am concerned about the ship balancing.
One of the nice things about the current unbalanced system is thatsome ships dont completely fit their intended or presumed role , but bacause they have an odd slot layout they become valuable in another role. nano hacs are not nanos just because they're fast but because they have a slot combination that makes it work adjusting those slots may "fix" them for their role but break the unintended ability.

I mainly use frigattes, i know i can kill interceptors (well some) with a vigil because i can fit an ab , scram and medium extender and in the lows i can use a a dcu and mapc. I dont know if making it fit it's ewar role more effectively will leave me with a ship i can use. This I think may be true for many classes.

In some respects, i like the prospect of being able to utilise more ships , but if they become predictable as "tackler" "ewar" "tank" " etc and unusable in another role then their value will be diminished rather than enhanced.
Probably worrying unecesarily, ccp will get balancing wrong anyway, so some will always float to the top.

I'm all for an easier and more pilot friendly system if it means the system values a pilot's skills and not just a pilot's racial skills.

Many people, including me, have used MUCH time and money to head on one way or another. To make all my feelings show on this post against this renewal and hatred, is nearly impossible.

Just make the tech tree go as it should be. Level 5's for every next ship on specific race. Cr 5 allows you to learn BC, BC 5 allows you to go BS... etc. Now if this new plan is going to happen like that, Im going to look forward really carefully and rethink about how all the spent time is going to be worth for me. Maybe shutting down all my 3 accounts might be an ansver for that. No reason to play the game anymore.