EVE General Discussion

CCP would already have checked out Goonswarm and other large alliances in the game, simply because they are the largest ones out there. They also check out the accounts of anyone elected to the CSM for various reasons which I shouldn't have to spell out but I will because you are stupid. CCP checks to see if the CSM is acting on information given during their meetings in Iceland and to see if they are engaging in RMT or any other EULA-violating activities. Calling for "an investigation herp derp" is absolutely pointless because it's already happened. Not only that, but as someone said before me, CCP employees have accounts; often times in the largest alliances in the game *cough* Bob *cough*. If they see a problem they would presumably do something about it. Actually, forget that last bit, T20 ruined that argument.

I would assume he is referring to scam targets being accepted into a squad's alt corp (or a personal alt corp) for some time (which is ofc in the alliance) - they wouldn't get access to auth (as their application is handled through the fake auth system) but could see alliance chat for the time of their stay...

I can't comment on GSF but it is/was a somewhat common practice in TEST especially when the "recruiter" had to convince a scam target that it is safe to jump a carrier blindly into 6VDT. Being able to talk to all the other guys in alliance (while not knowing the corp you are in is an unregulated alt corp) makes some people very stupid.

So utterly dumb huh? CSM represents (in part) CCP to the players and they represent the players to CCP. This is common sense. Just because I didn't vote for Mittani doesn't mean it is not his job to represent me as a player. What you are saying is like saying Obama doesn't represent all Americans. Only the ones who voted for him. IF what you say is true and that the CSM only represents those that voted for them than this entire CSM is nothing but a worthless waste of time and space and should be abolished since they appearently only represent a few thousand of the tens of thousands of players in EvE.

At least I know how to edit my posts and not have to double post. But really...before you start calling people "stupid" and "dumb" you should really think things over for yourself. I can't really fault you though...you ARE in Goonswarm.

Also, Mittens doesn't represent you to CCP. He represents Goons.

Which means Goons are controlling your game. Just thought I'd remind you of that.

Post when you have a picture and aren't in the starter NPC corporation.

Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room General Discussion!


Seriously though leave the RL political analogies out of it, please.

reserved for "u mad, bro" combat

I'm REALLY uninterested in interfering with this thread, or its allegations. I have no opinion on them specifically and if I did the opinion would be carried out either in the action or inaction of an administrative response.

I don't really expect to get good feedback, but what I DO expect is that I can lay out for you quite clearly that we do not condone malicious behavior and that given proof of that behavior we will act on it. Some of you will say we won't, but I'm saying we will. It's really futile for me to argue with you on the internet about whether something I say is true, as only I can see what's occurring from my perspective. Getting into a war of words isn't what I'm here for.

This thread is not about the lone botter. There's a mechanism in place, that we built, for you to handle such. This thread is about allegations of organized corporate misconduct, which then had the allegation that we were somehow implicit in this misconduct attached to it.

So... the ONLY reason I even posted in this wonderful thread was to state quite categorically that our detection and action on botting activities is clinical. We're not taking sides. We're not choosing not to act because we're scared that *insert x group of players here* is going to get mad. We're acting on our results which are evidence based.

What is evidence you ask? Words on a forum aren't it. If you believe that there is some ACTION which can be examined and responded to is occurring, then I'm happy to hear what you have to say, conduct an analysis and handle things on our end. What's simply NOT going to happen is for someone to paste some text on a forum and for us to run out and ban a bunch of people. That's just crazy speak. If you suspect someone of botting, report them using the tool. If you suspect greater misconduct, email me and if I'm able to prove your allegations they'll be acted upon appropriately.

If you believe someone at CCP isn't acting appropriately, myself included, you're ENCOURAGED to report said behavior to IA. If you believe that CCP isn't acting on whomever you think should be acted on because we're somehow profiting from it I can tell you that's some tinfoil hattery. You can then call me a liar and a lot of people's time will be wasted reading it and coming away unfulfilled.

We do not believe we benefit from people cheating and when we find such behavior we act on it. We don't have to go run to the CFO every time we catch someone doing something terrible because we lack the courage or desire to deliver a level playing field.

tl;dr if you have something you think should be looked at mail it to me.

EU penal law - some countries, but I think it applies in other parts of the world: If a person is constrained to hide a penal deed, the constrainer is likely (depending on the deed) to receive a conviction for this. The penalty can go up to equal the penal deed that is in discussion.

Here is an example: if a company hides large amounts of money made through ilegal means, and a person is found to have hidden these info being under types of pressure from above - read as "like a Mittens" - the boss guy is penalized under penal law.

Another example: drug cartel - if a drug lord constrains a street dealer to hide drug dealing deeds, it receives at least the penalty of threatening and constraining that person to ilegal deeds. (I have written in a more detailed post but the preview button is broken , all is gone and I don`t have the time to do it again).

You may argue that the EULA doesn`t cover this kind of deed. It doesn`t matter.

IF CCP doesn`t want to attract the doubt upon them, that it protects certain players and this decadent behavior that is botting, it should act. We will see if they have really changed since the summer fiasco.

Don`t let this topic die. It is a major issue.

If Sreegs says this is a bad thread it must really be a bad thread




Or maybe he had a bad day at work, who knows.