Wormholes

you really have no idea how wh corps operate

If anyone thinks that wormhole revenue is too high, I would invite you to give wormhole life a try. You will find that the classic 'risk versus reward' system is firmly in place, and working pretty much as intended. Yes, you can make more money. No, it isn't as easy, and you will need to buy backup ships, because you're going to lose a few if you plan to stay.

Wormholes are basically the endgame for a great many small groups. These small groups move in, they invest. They take the deliberate risk that all the belongings they have in the hole could be destroyed. Most of them are not risking just a ship or two. They are risking a fully functional POS full of ships, gear, production and research lines, and what all else they would see fit to risk. Some of them invest nearly all of their assets into their wormhole endeavors. Not only are they performing more risky endeavors, but they are putting far, far more on the line than an incursion runner.

Beyond that, everything you do relies on scanning down cosmic signatures. Logistics is not always easy, and you have constant supplies that need to be run in. Even the most self- sufficient of WH groups need ice for fuel blocks, faction ammo, skillbooks, and constantly topping off inventories of modds and ends. And then there's the issue of tritanium. If you think groups are doing any kind of large scale production by mining their own trit, you're dead wrong.

Recent POCO changes are in my opinion well balanced, wormhole groups are forced to either invest in POCO's (which of course can be destroyed), or face the interbus wallet neutralizer.
Oh, and let's not forget the d-scan button. You really should change them out for a new one every 30,000 scans. Which is probably every 5 days.

All that said, I think you over-estimate the site value of any one particular hole. Realize that once a wormhole is inhabited and farmed, it is quite frequently cleared, with nothing more to do. Venturing beyond one's borders can provide more (r)isk, but at a cost of a significant amount of time spent exploring and scanning in unfamiliar systems. It would be fair to say that someone who raids wormhole space spends more time actively scanning than an incursion runner spends on autopilot when flying to his incursion. Even an experienced scout who scans very quickly will have to canvas out a large area in order to find the richest of WH systems his small group can raid. A wormhole inhabitant can expect to spend the vast majority of his time doing maintenance, logistics, and exploratory activities. I would venture to say that about 10% of your time is actually spent making money. The other 90% or so is spent doing necessary tasks, most of which cost isk in some way.
Hell, i'd even go so far as to say that a healthy portion of the people who do scannable sites in lowsec actually reside in wormhole space. They are doing lowsec sites because there is no more money to be made in their wormhole.

[Sure, there are a select few groups who have their feces together, and they collapse/farm the living bejesus out of their static connection. They are able to lower risk and raise reward drastically by operating very smartly, which has likely come from years of wormhole experience, using defensive mechanics that would baffle most known space players. But that is a different issue. One logical way to curb this sort of group's isk income is to give them less "prime/empty" holes to raid, in the form of competition. More people living in wormholes means fewer uninhabited "jackpot" holes. ]

With the exception of those who collapse-farm, wormhole risk vs reward is very well balanced already, and if anything, wormholes need to be made more appealing and desirable. This need not be in the form of a reward of any kind. Something along the lines of the new corp bookmark changes. Things like that are what wormholes need more of.

Do the blue bits contribute significantly to inflation? Yes, absolutely.
Should the blue bits be tinkered with? Yes.
Should WH inhabitants make more money than incursion runners? Yes.
Should you bring your incursion ship into the next wormhole you find? Depends, do you have a backup? If so and the local is clear, bring your shinies on in and farm away.

Jalabaster

Hey, most two year olds are considerably more literate. No need to go dragging their names through the mud just thanks to darth's bad poasting.

All ISK faucets in Eve are outta balance according to CCP Soundwave in his TenTonHammer interview & sleeper blue loot NPC buy orders are second biggest ISK faucet in Eve (~10 trillion a month )

But, as many tried to tell you before, those blue loot isk have a different value than the same amount of money made in an high sex incursion.

You have to detract from those 10trilion the logistics cost of wormholes, and the huge risk involved in living in a place with no local and no concord.

And then there's this point(i'll try to explain for the last time then **** it) : the risk of wormholes is SO much higher than incursion that it SHOULD pay more.

You want to reduce inflation? nerf incursions and high sec lvl 4 more, leave everything else the same.

People should really stop feeding the troll.

If you can't explain something to someone within 13 pages, then you cannot explain something to somebody.

I think he is genuine, but he is an incursion runner and he sees the game from only that perspective. He also lacks the subtlety or eloquence to attempt to defend incursions, or attack other aspects of the game, effectively. Resulting in repetitive troll-like bad poasting.

Although I will admit, he is admirably persistant.

Look on the bright side though, we now have a 13 page thread that will serve as a monument to popular opinion on the idea of nerfing whs. Thereby ensuring whs won't be nerfed for a very, very long time.

where's that PLANET_FACEPALM.JPG when you needed it, and when does CCP brings back images ffs.

Bet it won't any time soon... why do you want it locked anyways? Honestly seems to me WH's have become stagnant what was the last real change to WH's