Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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This is mostly discussion thread so I would suggest starting from to end of the thread

I want to discuss the possibilities of tweaking cloaking in K-space that would somehow benefit both of these groups

A) People who actively scan the system

B) Cloaked active players looking for prey


By the way of redelegation the amount of information available to both. Especially since cloaking changes the amount of information accessible while boosting its defensive capabilities

Atm the players obtain passive information in term of local. Even pilots who are currently cloaked - this forces cloaked ships to afk within the system in order to catch someone.

IF CCP ever to limit such information, then a counter balance (in K-space) is necessary since even 1 CovOps can easily project a lot of firepower when backed by a gang. It would be possible by either

A) Allowing K-space pilots to gather more information (active gathering) about their system and essentially learning about the presence of the cloaked ship

B)Limiting offensive capabilities of the cloaked ship even more in K-space (e.g. Cyno-jammers


What would you think to be the better of two (or perhaps there are more options)?
And how would you think to achieve that


Personally I think a similar idea to WH might be probable, but due to stable gate system and Jumpdrives the amount of information a K-space pilot learns (w/o the local) should be boosted, (For example scanning that never reaches 100% to provide general location of cloaked ship is space, of course that would be limited to K-space only)








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For starters I do not think that this idea is a panacea for cloaking problems, but i just want to throw it out there for others to see. It might spawn better ideas perhaps


Make cloaked ships semi-scannable - as in cloaked ship generates 1000+ km anomaly sphere in the system that either can't be scanned to 100% or has random warp in location - Therefore people wont be able to simply scan warp in and decloak the target

It is provides the basic location of the cloaked ship in space - and if it starts warping somewhere the sphere will move. Allowing these, who pay attention to notice the incoming threat. While if you slack off - well tough luck

It might be also a good idea to merge the "anomalous sphere"-s of multiple ships into one - thus denying easy intel to the scanner

Also might be a good idea to utilize upgraded module that comes with it's own set of draw-backs to offset the bonus ability (more skills, tighter fitting, less power) to keep it more for situational use


What do you guys think?

And I wasn't asking a yes or no. I wanted to start a discussion, especially since I've personally agreed this isnt a cure. I wouldn't have posted this in F&I otherwise.

I'm sorry, it's just that this comes up about once a week. Usually the same ideas, either a special ship or probe that can find cloakies, or fuel/mechanic that makes cloakies uncloak after some arbitrary amount of time.

Then people argue and say that cloaks need a counter. Then other folks say that the counter is that cloaks can not do anything to you, or that Local is the problem.

I fall in the second category because I believe it would break WH's. I also find it funny that somehow one guy can scare up a whole system.

Problem is, EVERYTHING has been sugested so there are no new ideas you can bring to the table.

I can't think of anything that hasn't been posted. Use the search, you will be amazed at some of the ideas. (my favorite is that cloaked ships should self destruct 30 seconds after cloaking)

No what? did you read my question? or you just read the topic and answered w/o reading?

Oh, and please add negrep and hide threads with -10 negrep in the OP.
That way threads like this will be easier to deal with.

Oh, and OP, l2search!

OP, click me please!
^if you click it, you'll see about a few hundred threads similar to this. You'll also see why your idea is terrible.

Nothing you said there really makes sense to me.

You're telling me that you have "no qualms about cloaking" yourself, but decided to start a new thread that claims cloaking is a problem and go on to suggest a nerf by means of detection mechanics. You're either very confused or lying.

You're not suggesting "a mid way point", there's no compromise in your proposal, it's just a nerf to CovOps. A compromise would address the problems of CovOps pilots and players as well, and that means doing something about Local Chat!

You also seem to have mind reading powers when it comes to CCP developers, in that you're convinced they will never remove/change Local, but would be happy to destroy cloaking by adding a detection method without addressing the Local issue. You are aware that CCP mentioned changing Local in the last CSM 6 minutes along with cloak detection?

no.
cloak is fine and does not need any nerfs.

People just seem to forget the original reason for cloaking.

Someone wants the element of surprise, is willing to train for it extensively, and even use a ship with limited combat abilities.

Local absolutely denies this. But in a twisted yet balancing manner, the cloak is bizarrely also an absolute, not allowing any to locate those who use it correctly.

Another described it: I feel in this case being balanced is not reflecting the best of both sides, but equally screwed up on both sides.

This means cloaking is broken, regarding it's original purpose of intent. What's left was an improvised meta-gaming tactic salvaged from the situation.

Fix cloaking.

And that means both sides of the issue.