Wormholes

Fairly certain I just performed the Picard Maneuver on Darth's terrible statistics.

No known defense mother ******.

gj making it unreadable, what a way to argue

While your at it compare player assets (ships / POSes and modules as well as the value of any cargos) lost to player action between wormholes and Incursions.

Oh wait....that might prove that there is far more risk to living in a wormhole and damage your argument.

I have it on good authority you are wrong there: there is alot of peeps living in WH's & doing non sleeper sites whom live in WH's the sleeper sites are the ISK fountain equivalent of Incursions are just as much an inflation multiplier as incursions ( yet still less then bounties ). I guess I should be more specific in differenting between blue loot & anonms & other sites that are non sleepers as part of my point about what should be nerfed so here: BOUNTIES. INCURSION PAYOUTS, & SLEEPER COMPONENTS are need o fixing in Escalation & Inferno. Incursion payouts will get the 10% cut next month CCP Sound wave sayz bounties are next, but sleeper components ( aka blue loot which are NPC buy orders ) are the third leg which is the great ISK inflation fountain should be cut along with everything else before more sinks are introduced IMHO.

You are delusional, not only do you link math that is BASED on some CCP stats and may well be wrong but you assume that every ISK that is payed out if those stats were correct is stored in every wormholers wallets. The losses in ISK in wormhole space reflect the payouts, entire alliances being evicted from wormhole systems, t3 and cap fleets being destroyed near on a daily basis both by other players or even just miscalculations with sleepers. The 40+ billion ISK chimera loss a couple of months ago proves my point.

Now looking to incursions payouts on those stats, assuming that at least 75% of that payout is in high sec incursions, where is the risk vs. reward?

Kind of shooting yourself in the foot their, especially as I saw you flying around high yesterday in a bhaalgorn, seems a bit hypocritical considering their is no risk...

Personally I've always found it odd c1/c2 wormholes hold so little value, they are essentially just as dangerous as c3s, perhaps more so due to players that scan them down out of high sec and watch the API stats to see when someone is killing NPCs in there.

Either way though, whs in general are perfectly balanced, and probably one of the best parts of the game at the moment. They're certainly the most dangerous.

Yeah they're the most dangerous.

However when thinking about these kind of things you have to think like this: "how can something be exploited?".

If c1 and c2 were more lucrative people could simply chain farm them with a t3 and then collapse the hole and farm them again.

I'm advocating increasing c5-c6 simply because they're extremely hard and they should pay something absurd.

(oh and btw between whs and incursions i'll always prefer incursions )

You would lose that bet : http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1203/EveMonthlyInflation2003-feb2012.png
Inflation was rising in the months before the Incursions and kept going even before the Incursions where figured out in feb-march finally. The farming agreement was not struck until May of 2011 & weirdly there was a deflationary period in June 2011 ( summer months in the northern hemisphere do that plus Incarna's flop )

Eh maybe I should go to WH's & start flying a more expensive Cap ship instead in C6's with 2-4 more ships? Maybe someday... but today I enjoy flying with 20-40 man fleets ( which isn't done in C6's often or at all is it? ) and the occasional 40+ fleeet PvE.
I've lost a bhaal before & saw a Vindi go poof in an OTA last night ( poor guy the hulls are running 1.3 billion now )

I wish CCP CCP_Diagoras would show the final blows by NPC on pilots like he did here the other way around:

"9 Feb John Turbefield ‏ @CCP_Diagoras
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Most killed Incursion NPC ship on Feb 8th: 19,938 Tama Cerebellum. Most killed incursion BS? 2,640 Deltole Tegmentum. @Dsan_dk #tweetfleet

9 Feb John Turbefield ‏ @CCP_Diagoras "

like he tweeted this here:

"9 Feb John Turbefield ‏ @CCP_Diagoras
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Sleepers scored 54 final blows on carriers/dreads in Jan 2012. #tweetfleet"

I think the number of losses may be comparable to the number of pirate BS's lost in Incursions

Incursions are more fun because for some ( not all of course ) because they are a group effort sort of like a 24 hour CTA now: you can throw together a pick up fleet ALOT easier then in a WH ( WH's ya sorta do need peeps you all know together in the same place at the same time (lo sec incursion fleets have to be secretive about it of course and know each other well) ) WH's do sound fun& there is alot of work to get the POS's set up... they are solo-able unlike Incursions ( there is 1-3 players that used to be able to solo 7-8 box a non OTA site think one of then was CHUNKER ( he can't anymore due to competition really) there now is another guy but he doesn't really solo them I'm told he needs someone else in his Tengu fleet to logi for him ) So yes for those that like to be (occasional?) solo hermits WH's are a route not afforded by Incursions.
I only did a few level 4's before I was swept into my fun in Incursions... if/when I tire of them after some more lo sec Incursion fun dunno if I'll check out NULL or WH games I keep tottering between the 2... but if CCP keeps nerfing everything PvE EXCEPT W-Space I'll move there & increase its ranks like Dr E says is happening from the 2011 to 2012 Q1 pie chart graph ( here's another stat: QEN 2010 had the WH population pegged at 2.8% BTW )

But backto my original point: IF CCP IS 10% ISK NERFING BOUNTIES/DRONES/INCURSIONS faucets due to the market INFERNO sleeper components ( I refer to as blue loot ) should be also because if they have injected 1/3+ of the ISK into the Eve sandbox since thier inception