EVE General Discussion

A point the Op needs to take on board:

In the past CCP has contacted alliance directors and ordered them to bring their alliance into line when individual members of that alliance have gone against the EULA examples I can remember from the goons include:
Posting of common world war 2 german phrases in local.
General Spam in local.
Creation of phallic shaped can arrangements in space.
Naming of Stations with names that are not approved by CCP.
In all these cases a CCP GM contacted either a director or alliance CEO and insisted that individual police the alliance and limit the rule breaking.

Here is the part of the relevant topic you excluded to copy/paste from Eve news24:


This is essentially the alliance saying: don't shoot your mouth off, don't cause internal ructions that damage us all, pass to the diplomats who will sort it out. While you may disagree with that, CCP have set a precedent, if they see that the Goons directors are doing their bit to limit the rule breaking they will be happy.

Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah waaaah waaaah waaaah waaaah waaaah waaaah ..........


the **** should i care.

Cared enough to tell us you don't care. Much appreciated.

As you were.

I don't think he reads too much into it, just that he mistakes this for being news.

It has nothing to do with embarrassing people, it's about getting hit in the real world pocketbook, something the alliance leaders DEFINITELY do not want. 0.0 is all about the RMT. For instance, players frequently associated with the continent of Asia have been systematically milking 0.0 for the RMT business for almost 7 of the 8 years this game has been active.

It's no secret and CCP doesn't do anything about it, because if they did it would impact them negatively. An active player is an active player and money in CCP's pocket. Impact to the game economy be damned, they'll never fix it at the expense of the effects on CCP's REAL WORLD economy.

Anyone that thinks otherwise is incredibly naive. The bigger the RMT business, the healthier eve online the business is. Sure the ingame economy takes a hit but nothing that it hasn't absorbed in the history of the server being online. CCP's efforts to stop the RMT trade is nothing but smoke and mirrors...

The only people that get busted are the buyers dumb enough to get busted. Next time around those people will buy from CCP instead, but CCP will never go after the dealers themselves.... that would be tantamount to shooting themselves in the foot.

Hey. Yer. Fair point again.

Except....

"don't cause internal ructions that damage us all"
How? Reporting is anom and it's not discussed by CCP. Dare me to say Goons need to control who is/isn't reported? Why?

Either way, it's NOT their call. Ever.

As soon as any player reports a bot to another player he has removed the anonymity assured by reporting directly to CCP. Hence my absolute conviction that the process of reporting/not reporting bots is NOT and nor should it be, an alliance issue.

CCP need to make this very, very clear.

They did and it's legit.

Got access to Goon forums?

So you are fine that deliberate, publicised condoning of EULA breaches is kosher and any act to report said EULA breach will get you booted?


I seriously hope they do! The source is a matter of public record. As OP what I want to know is whether this is a clear and deliberate condoning and protection of players that breach the EULA.

This forum has been done to death regardng bots and the oppostion to it is pronounced and unequivocable. To encourage EULA breaches from an alliance that has CSM members smacks of hypocrisy and tells every player that botting is fine - Mittani's boys said so and CCP did nought about it!


To that I say LOL

I have a couple of PVE alts that when the need arises rat (anomalies - pre nerf) in a quiet system in a quiet region. The longest run I have ever done is only about 12 hours (I could not handle doing more than that). During that time only 3 other people came into the system. I didn't respond to convos due to duel boxing eve and playing Civ V on my third screen. If either of those alts had been reported for supposedly botting - I would know who did it.

In my post above (#42) I sight examples of CCP making rule enforcement an alliance issue. The precedent has been set, and while you personally disagree, the precedent was set by CCP. So any alliance has the ability to say to their members - tell us about rule breakers and we will sort them out.

I personally believe what will happen with this in regards to goons is that they will sacrifice a couple of low level members who are obviously botting. Reporting the to CCP and saying to CCP; look we goons are doing our bit to curb this rule breaking, while turning a blind eye to others who are more significant players.

Why is that EVERY TIME I see someone CAPITALIZING every few words in their post, I can ALWAYS expect that post to be full of CONSPIRACY THEORIES and OVER-DRAMATIZATIONS?

What is it that makes these kinds of PARANOID NUTJOBS type in this way? Has there ever been any SCIENTIFIC STUDY on the phenomenon?

No. And I have said this. Whether to report/not report is up to the individual. Being told not to report is an entirely different matter.


Except that talking in local chat is allowed under the EULA.

Botting is not.

To TL;DR my entire rant. I am asking that CCP consider making the promotion/protection/condoning of botting as a breach of the EULA. To attempt to circumvent the individuals bot reporting rights in the interests of any corp/alliance (not just Goons) must be deemed as inappropriate and bannable.

The EULA is a contract between you and CCP. Not with the alliance/corp the member is in. An alliance cannot and should not promote/encourage breaches of the EULA. It is not in their domain.